Roberto Duran Infighting and Sensitivity

[DoctorTaco]

You basically have to feel where a guy's weight is and how he's balanced. Paying attention to where he puts pressure gives you clues to what he's open to. If you feel a shift you know he's not optimally balanced in that moment. It's not complicated, but at the same time, it can be. It's basically just feeling out what the other guy is doing. Giving a light tug or push can tell you about his balance before you make your move.

Sounds kind of vague, but it makes sense when you feel it.

I'm a big fan of Kevin Ross' clinch game for this reason. He seems to sweep and dump guys quickly, often before more than 1 strike can be thrown. His intuition and reaction time is great

 

[Cyclone Mike]

I cant tell yoou about MT but the way is done in some chinese martial arts is like this:

First you need to be aware of your own gravity center, without that sensitivy will be noisy, unclear.

Secondly your "ground path" (Mike Sigman) must be pure, that means your skeletal aligment and muscle relaxation form a dense, compact body unity so any forces touching your arm go straight to the ground. In that way your feet and gravity center receive information in a direct way, without interferences.

This might sound a bit obscure but is pretty intuitive. Even if you dont practice wrestling or judo when you grapple with somebody for the first time - say a friend for fun - you "feel" when "it gives up" so you know when to go full force. This is the same but without the need to grip or grapple or lift any weight. With enough training you develope an acute awareness so your hands can register the minutest variations in the incoming (mostly horizontal) forces and instantaneously - without any thinking - transform them into a "3D image" so to speak, you feel his gravity center moving off balance in a 3d space, so you know when to push/pull, spin right/left, bring down /lift up or open/close his posture.

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[Cyclone Mike]

I'm a big fan of Kevin Ross' clinch game for this reason. He seems to sweep and dump guys quickly, often before more than 1 strike can be thrown. His intuition and reaction time is great

Yup, he did a seminar in my hometown and his understanding of the clinch game is much deeper than most of the Americans I have trained with.

 

[wang xiangzhai]

Some yiquan examples:


Yao Chenguang

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Liu Chuncheng

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Davide DeSantis

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[Samuel Reynoso]

Hey wang xiangzhai, I wanna thank you for a post you made on my thread a few months back. I started researching Chinese arts in a serious way, and it payed off immediately.

My deadlift went up 30lbs without training it in months. I throw a cross without my front knee moving forward at all. And, in BJJ, my grip/hand fighting is levels improved.

The Chinese arts that I've been studying about have really helped me simplify things I've been working on. I'm glad I took a look into it.

 

[WillW]

That was a good video. Love Duran

I know we hear fans whine left and right about lack of good clinching in boxing/too much holding by certain fighters. If you want to see really good clinch work in action, watch MMA. Some very good stuff to be seen. not just from a boxing aspect but MT, wrestling, judo, etc. I love how its all together fluidly like that.having to mind all the aspects of mma, not punches alone.

Cue Connor Ruebusch video series on "The Clinch in MMA"

 

[shpboris]

Another good video.

IMO, in terms of people's appreciation, Duran is in the similar situation as Cotto. Both are great technicians, but both are usually described as "having good punch", "very aggressive" etc. I.e not too much respect to AMAZING technique they have/had.

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[Fire of Youth]

Another good video.

IMO, in terms of people's appreciation, Duran is in the similar situation as Cotto. Both are great technicians, but both are usually described as "having good punch", "very aggressive" etc. I.e not too much respect to AMAZING technique they have/had.

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Cool vid. Cool music.

 

[Phlog]

After reading this thread and watching Duran I started to spend more time in the pocket when sparring.

I sensed the punches as they were thrown and played a game of subtle spoiling and inside trickery.


Badly... I got hit by people who I usually completely shut down.

This is one area of defence that doesn't come naturally to me as I choose to explore it and I'm just going to make sure that no one gets that close to me.. I will use uppercuts, flints, check hooks, jabs, knees and at worst clinching to avoid the shortest of ranges. I feel a little like I'm cheating by using my physical attributes but my style works well goddamn it.

This is not something I can just teach myself while getting above average kickboxing training.

 

[NVSemin]

Another good video.

IMO, in terms of people's appreciation, Duran is in the similar situation as Cotto. Both are great technicians, but both are usually described as "having good punch", "very aggressive" etc. I.e not too much respect to AMAZING technique they have/had.

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YOu must have been kidding. There is not way Cotto on the same level technically as Duran. Duran, as Top 10 ATG, was better in all components. He would beat the crap out of Cotto and Margarito durng the same night

 

[shpboris]

YOu must have been kidding. There is not way Cotto on the same level technically as Duran. Duran, as Top 10 ATG, was better in all components. He would beat the crap out of Cotto and Margarito durng the same night

I never said that they are on the same level though.

My point was that for both Cotto and Duran, their technical skill is usually dismissed by most people. Also being less technical than Duran doesn't make you a bum all of a sudden )))

BTW, speaking about their technical level - you can't judge it just based on who is the better fighter. There are much more aspects to "being better fighter" than just technical level.