Roberto Duran Infighting and Sensitivity

[Discipulus]

yeah ok this sounds reasonable. I think he is the greatest Hispanic fighter ever but I never really thought about the rankings by ethnicity and I dont think it should your legacy any extra point

it's interesting to think about it though SRR or Armstrong would be the #1 black boxer, Dick tiger or Azumah Nelson the greatest African boxer. Who would be the best Asian boxer? Khaosai ? Would Greb be the greatest white boxer? and who would be the greatest European boxer?
I'm sure I forgot some

Samart, Tszyu, Khaosai... Chang Jung Koo is one of my personal favorites, and a definite all-time great.

 

[Sinister]

yeah ok this sounds reasonable. I think he is the greatest Hispanic fighter ever but I never really thought about the rankings by ethnicity and I dont think it should your legacy any extra point

it's interesting to think about it though SRR or Armstrong would be the #1 black boxer, Dick tiger or Azumah Nelson the greatest African boxer. Who would be the best Asian boxer? Khaosai ? Would Greb be the greatest white boxer? and who would be the greatest European boxer?
I'm sure I forgot some

Of course being the greatest fighter of an entire ethnicity should add to a person's legacy. It puts them head and shoulders beyond basically entire gene-pools. To think of it, Panama has yet to produce another Duran, it just isn't happening and isn't likely to.

Best Asian? It'd be between guys like Galaxy and Pacquiao IMO. If by American white, could be Greb, could be Marciano. European is tough because there's Eastern and Western Europe, which separate themselves much like North and South America. The U.K. has a pretty long boxing History and I'd not try to mash those in with the recent success of the Eastern Bloc

 

[PivotPunch]

Of course being the greatest fighter of an entire ethnicity should add to a person's legacy. It puts them head and shoulders beyond basically entire gene-pools. To think of it, Panama has yet to produce another Duran, it just isn't happening and isn't likely to.

Best Asian? It'd be between guys like Galaxy and Pacquiao IMO. If by American white, could be Greb, could be Marciano. European is tough because there's Eastern and Western Europe, which separate themselves much like North and South America. The U.K. has a pretty long boxing History and I'd not try to mash those in with the recent success of the Eastern Bloc

no it shouldnt count it favours fighters from smaller and non boxing countries and a gene pool isnt limited to a country let alone migration and travel

i forgot Pacquiao as well

 

[shpboris]

Barkley was damaged goods by the time he fought Toney, he was nearly blind and the bout should have never been sanctioned.

In Duran fight he had great jab, quite dynamic footwork etc. Also had very fast hands. Now you see him in Toney fight - nothing of the above is there.

About Duran - to me, he is the most impressive out of the 4. Some things in his fights are just unbelievable. In my view of boxing they are even unrealistic ))) Say, he was able to out jab faster technicians even despite reach disadvantage (Leonard). He was able to stand his ground and even pressure much bigger and stronger fighters who also had great technique (Hagler, Barkley).

 

[Sinister]

no it shouldnt count it favours fighters from smaller and non boxing countries and a gene pool isnt limited to a country let alone migration and travel

i forgot Pacquiao as well

Ethnicity is more than a Country, so it doesn't narrow it down, I said ETHNICITY. That means out of all the Latinos in History (regardless of their NATIONALITY), Duran is easily among the top 3.

 

[thugpoet]

^Not really.

Hagler
Sugar ray
Duran
Hearns

Imo.

 

[Sinister]

Cool, but nah. IMO

 

[thugpoet]

Cool, but nah. IMO

I will say that I think he is the best Mexican fighter of all time

 

[Jaxxstatic]

I will say that I think he is the best Mexican fighter of all time

You're joking, right?

 

[Sinister]

*facepalm*

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

*'Mexican fighter': A person whose career entails fighting Mexicans

 

[thugpoet]

*Hispanic...

 

[Discipulus]

So Mike, I'm quite interested in the idea of sensitivity in the clinch. What did your Thai trainers teach you about that?

 

[Cyclone Mike]

So Mike, I'm quite interested in the idea of sensitivity in the clinch. What did your Thai trainers teach you about that?

You basically have to feel where a guy's weight is and how he's balanced. Paying attention to where he puts pressure gives you clues to what he's open to. If you feel a shift you know he's not optimally balanced in that moment. It's not complicated, but at the same time, it can be. It's basically just feeling out what the other guy is doing. Giving a light tug or push can tell you about his balance before you make your move.

Sounds kind of vague, but it makes sense when you feel it.

 

[wang xiangzhai]

So Mike, I'm quite interested in the idea of sensitivity in the clinch. What did your Thai trainers teach you about that?

I cant tell yoou about MT but the way is done in some chinese martial arts is like this:

First you need to be aware of your own gravity center, without that sensitivy will be noisy, unclear.

Secondly your "ground path" (Mike Sigman) must be pure, that means your skeletal aligment and muscle relaxation form a dense, compact body unity so any forces touching your arm go straight to the ground. In that way your feet and gravity center receive information in a direct way, without interferences.

This might sound a bit obscure but is pretty intuitive. Even if you dont practice wrestling or judo when you grapple with somebody for the first time - say a friend for fun - you "feel" when "it gives up" so you know when to go full force. This is the same but without the need to grip or grapple or lift any weight. With enough training you develope an acute awareness so your hands can register the minutest variations in the incoming (mostly horizontal) forces and instantaneously - without any thinking - transform them into a "3D image" so to speak, you feel his gravity center moving off balance in a 3d space, so you know when to push/pull, spin right/left, bring down /lift up or open/close his posture.

If i were to describe with a metaphor i

 

[Sinister]

You basically have to feel where a guy's weight is and how he's balanced. Paying attention to where he puts pressure gives you clues to what he's open to. If you feel a shift you know he's not optimally balanced in that moment. It's not complicated, but at the same time, it can be. It's basically just feeling out what the other guy is doing. Giving a light tug or push can tell you about his balance before you make your move.

Sounds kind of vague, but it makes sense when you feel it.

This is not different than boxing, the difference is just that in Muay Thai you can actually hold longer to feel those things. With boxing you should be feeling for the same shit, only with smaller parts of your body like a shoulder or elbow or leg, and you have to use a bit more intuition with determining what he's going to do. But the core principals are the same.

 

[Fire of Youth]

If i were to describe with a metaphor i

 

[thugpoet]

That is how some of the principles of wing chun were explained to me.

Stinky hands

 

[Discipulus]

Similar movements and concepts in this in-fighting drill.

 

[Sinister]

Stinky hands

Stinky hands Gung Fu is when you wipe with the paper folded too far and you get some of it on your palm, or when you do a finger-poke through the paper...