Robert Drysdale's Interview About His Documentary on The True History of BJJ

[kpoz12]

I don't normally plug Podcasts, but man, this was a fascinating episode that I just listened to at work!
Give 'er a listen!

http://grapplingcentral.com/episode-268-robert-drysdale-returns/

 

[Evan_The_Kid_1]

I'll watch here in a bit. So does he talk about Oswaldo Fadda and whatnot?

 

[Dogstarman]

Thanks. I’ll take a listen.

 

[AZ103]

Listening now

 

[Dogstarman]

I'll watch here in a bit. So does he talk about Oswaldo Fadda and whatnot?

Yes. It’s a very good interview and has some really good information. I hated that Drysdale let him keep calling him professor. I have a couple of black belt instructors that tell people to stop calling them that bullshit and call them coach or their first name. Even sir or or Mr Drysdale would be better for my ears. I have all the respect for Drysdale but a university professor is a whole different animal. I have had university lecturers correct people from calling them professor.

 

[Evan_The_Kid_1]

Yes. It’s a very good interview and has some really good information. I hated that Drysdale let him keep calling him professor. I have a couple of black belt instructors that tell people to stop calling them that bullshit and call them coach or their first name. Even sir or or Mr Drysdale would be better for my ears. I have all the respect for Drysdale but a university professor is a whole different animal. I have had university lecturers correct people from calling them professor.

That bothered me a bit to when I heard it in the podcast. And I really want to get those books Dryadale was talking about. The "Choque" books. I've heard of them before but I haven't gotten my hands on them yet. Theyre cheap and on kindle so I might just do it that way.

 

[kpoz12]

That bothered me a bit to when I heard it in the podcast. And I really want to get those books Dryadale was talking about. The "Choque" books. I've heard of them before but I haven't gotten my hands on them yet. Theyre cheap and on kindle so I might just do it that way.

Save your money and just go DEEP on this legendary thread! http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/choque-the-official-thread.2803359/

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Listened. Ehhhh.
For a guy who says the gracies wtote their own history and give their version. He said a lot of ... in my opinion. Or this could have happened...

Sounds like a witch hunt to me to make some money

 

[Ryo]

Listened. Ehhhh.
For a guy who says the gracies wtote their own history and give their version. He said a lot of ... in my opinion. Or this could have happened...

Sounds like a witch hunt to me to make some money

Not really. Many things he says make very logical sense if you dig into actual history and not just what the Gracies say. There were several Judoka in Brazil annd Japan who had a huge impact on the evolution of BJJ. This is very hard to dispute. Their contributions to the art are very much ignored by the Gracies and just unknown by the BJJ community.

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Not really. Many things he says make very logical sense if you dig into actual history and not just what the Gracies say. There were several Judoka in Brazil annd Japan who had a huge impact on the evolution of BJJ. This is very hard to dispute. Their contributions to the art are very much ignored by the Gracies and just unknown by the BJJ community.

So he went and talked to people to ask how things were 80 years ago, that nobody bothered to document...ever. ya should be spot on. I'm sure nobody wants to say they were part of jiu jitsu before the gracies to perhaps get some money from it.
Maybe inspector drysdale can interview some people to see if jesui was the real deal.

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Not really. Many things he says make very logical sense if you dig into actual history and not just what the Gracies say. There were several Judoka in Brazil annd Japan who had a huge impact on the evolution of BJJ. This is very hard to dispute. Their contributions to the art are very much ignored by the Gracies and just unknown by the BJJ community.

And for the record I don't dispute there were others who were doing judo prior to the gracies, but what the gracies did with it is the only reason sherdog exist. Lots of people tried to fly, lots of people tried to make electricity and phones work but only the ones who figured it all out get the credit and publicity .

 

[Ryo]

And for the record I don't dispute there were others who were doing judo prior to the gracies, but what the gracies did with it is the only reason sherdog exist. Lots of people tried to fly, lots of people tried to make electricity and phones work but only the ones who figured it all out get the credit and publicity .

The only reason you know the Gracies exist is because of the marketing of the UFC and how it caught on. In the 1950s and 60s and 70s the highest level newaza masters were still in Japan. None of what you said means anything to the point that is trying to be made. The Gracies are very important to martial arts history, but so are alot of other people, and since history can be studied, we should do that. The development of BJJ was not just Maeda, Carlos, Helio. I think that should be the point. The flight comparison is kinda ridiculous, considering there were high level Judoka in Japan like Kimura who was far superior to Helio on the ground. There were several others in Japan. They had put it together pretty well.

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Um didn't Rorion start the UFC with some partners??? So it's because of the gracies we know who the gracies are.
I don't have a problem with the fact their are other but Drysdale is trying to witch hunt the Gracies for no other reason besides to make money.

Oh and the Wright Brothers were not the first to fly
http://nation.time.com/2013/11/23/the-unlikely-fight-over-first-in-flight/

 

[kenetics]

The only reason you know the Gracies exist is because of the marketing of the UFC and how it caught on. In the 1950s and 60s and 70s the highest level newaza masters were still in Japan. None of what you said means anything to the point that is trying to be made. The Gracies are very important to martial arts history, but so are alot of other people, and since history can be studied, we should do that. The development of BJJ was not just Maeda, Carlos, Helio. I think that should be the point. The flight comparison is kinda ridiculous, considering there were high level Judoka in Japan like Kimura who was far superior to Helio on the ground. There were several others in Japan. They had put it together pretty well.

Kimura was 50 pounds heavier than helio and still took him an hour or so to sub him..

 

[rmongler]

Kimura was 50 pounds heavier than helio and still took him an hour or so to sub him..

>moral victory

 

[kenetics]

>moral victory

Still matters. I would be embarrassed if it took me that long to beat someone so small lol.

 

[rmongler]

Still matters. I would be embarrassed if it took me that long to beat someone so small lol.

Lol, it's like the most stereotypical gympunk option select ever.

"Yeah he may have mashed my face into the mat at will and i was helpless to stop him, but yo my sub defense bro!"

 

[kenetics]

Lol, it's like the most stereotypical gympunk option select ever.

"Yeah he may have mashed my face into the mat at will and i was helpless to stop him, but yo my sub defense bro!"

Problem with your argument is that he wasn't helpless. You don't last an hour or with someone as good as kimura. If he was so helpless he would've been subbed the first 5 minutes .

 

[rmongler]

Problem with your argument is that he wasn't helpless. You don't last an hour or with someone as good as kimura. If he was so helpless he would've been subbed the first 5 minutes .

The whole 20 minutes bro. DEFENSIVE DOMINANCE.

 

[kenetics]

The whole 20 minutes bro. DEFENSIVE DOMINANCE.

Ya, that fight was ridiculous.. in a bad way lol.