Social Riverside Sheriff claims foiled assassination plot against Trump, Secret Service disagrees

[PEB]

 

[jefferz]

You clearly didn’t make it to page three.

“Immediately flocked”.

 

[Madmick]

The first shooter was a registered Republican in a heavily Trump leaning county but somehow that's on the Dems? Sure you can point to one $15 donation he made to a left wing PAC years ago but at best its unclear where Thomas Cook leaned but the preponderance of evidence suggests he was a right winger.

Stop. The first shooter donated money to ACTBlue on the day Biden was inaugurated, and would have given his speech. He also had an obscure social media history uncovered where he was more preoccupied with and critical of Trump's anti-immigration policies. This was the Gab account. The Steam account and Discord accounts were found to be fake. The Gab account was not. The CEO testified to its nature. He posted on the site 9 times.

Trump gunman Thomas Crooks had a Gab account that he used to ‘support’ President Biden, site’s CEO says​

“While the account made very few posts on the site, the majority of them were in support of President Biden...The story is this: the account for which data was requested was, UNEQUIVOCALLY, pro-Biden and in particular pro-Biden's immigration policy," said Torba. "To the best of Gab's knowledge, as of 2021, Crooks was a pro-lockdown, pro-immigration, left-wing Joe Biden supporter.

Meanwhile, there is no evidence he ever supported a Republican candidate, or espoused right-wing views other than subscribing to a YouTube guns channel with pro-2A leanings, but that speaks more to his fascination with guns than to confirming any political sensibilities. There's no evidence he ever used his political registration to vote in any primaries.

It was very much left-wing sensibilities that formed his motives.

 

[Confucamus]

The first shooter was a registered Republican in a heavily Trump leaning county but somehow that's on the Dems? Sure you can point to one $15 donation he made to a left wing PAC years ago but at best its unclear where Thomas Cook leaned but the preponderance of evidence suggests he was a right winger.

Everyone knows he was a registered Republican. Where he donated is where is heart lied. Even if you want to dismiss the fact that PA is a closed primary state. You saying there is a "preponderance" of evidence that he's a right winger is extreme exaggeration, at best. @Madmick gave the link about the Gab account. I suggest you read a little more into it.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Everyone knows he was a registered Republican. Where he donated is where is heart lied. Even if you want to dismiss the fact that PA is a closed primary state. You saying there is a "preponderance" of evidence that he's a right winger is extreme exaggeration, at best. @Madmick gave the link about the Gab account. I suggest you read a little more into it.

i thought that only right wingers used gab after they got booted from twitter.

Gab (social network)​

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gab is an American alt-tech microblogging and social networking service known for its far-right userbase.[2][3][4][5] Widely described as a haven for neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, antisemites, the alt-right, supporters of Donald Trump, conservatives, right-libertarians, and believers in conspiracy theories such as QAnon,[6][7] Gab has attracted users and groups who have been banned from other social media platforms and users seeking alternatives to mainstream social media platforms.[8][9][10] Founded in 2016 and launched publicly in May 2017,[3][11] Gab claims to promote free speech, individual liberty, the "free flow of information online", and Christian values.[12][13][14][15] Researchers and journalists have characterized these assertions as an obfuscation of its extremist ecosystem.[13][16] Antisemitism is prominent in the site's content and the company itself has engaged in antisemitic commentary. Gab CEO Andrew Torba has promoted the white genocide conspiracy theory.[13][14][15][12] Gab is based in Pennsylvania.[17]

 

[Madmick]

i thought that only right wingers used gab after they got booted from twitter. i forgot that place existed. same with parler, after they moved their servers to russia, demanded people send pictures of their drivers license or id just to register and verify their accounts, and then told everybody to stop posting pictures of their feces all over the place.

Gab (social network)​

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gab is an American alt-tech microblogging and social networking service known for its far-right userbase.[2][3][4][5] Widely described as a haven for neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, antisemites, the alt-right, supporters of Donald Trump, conservatives, right-libertarians, and believers in conspiracy theories such as QAnon,[6][7] Gab has attracted users and groups who have been banned from other social media platforms and users seeking alternatives to mainstream social media platforms.[8][9][10] Founded in 2016 and launched publicly in May 2017,[3][11] Gab claims to promote free speech, individual liberty, the "free flow of information online", and Christian values.[12][13][14][15] Researchers and journalists have characterized these assertions as an obfuscation of its extremist ecosystem.[13][16] Antisemitism is prominent in the site's content and the company itself has engaged in antisemitic commentary. Gab CEO Andrew Torba has promoted the white genocide conspiracy theory.[13][14][15][12] Gab is based in Pennsylvania.[17]

Yes, so the most obvious conclusion one would draw is that he specifically went there to provoke and troll its users considering the content of his posts.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Yes, so the most obvious conclusion one would draw is that he specifically went there to provoke and troll its users considering the content of his posts.

that registered republican was going over there just to troll up his fellow republicans? seems rather counterproductive when he could have instead been on there "researching" some more conspiracy theories about lizard people, the globalist cabal of satanic child-abusing democrats sacrificing babies in the basement of pizza shops and then drinking their blood, and learning about how jfk jr. really died, and when exactly the ghost of his father is going to make his grand reveal at the grassy knoll and announce that he is going to be donald trump's presidential running mate. and he will get to be informed about the wonders and benefits of eating horse paste, magical landfill dirt, fish tank cleaner, and alex jones' colloidal silver toothpaste.

there was some good stuff over there. the kind of secrets of the world that big tech, big banks, big government, big bird, and the deep state doesn't want you to know about, complete with all the lack of evidence behind any of these conspiracies that will never ever be proven because it's way too damning to ever bring to court, or the house of cards would start crashing down and lead to the arrest of hillary clinton. the proof is out there. probably on hunter's laptop.

i forgot that republican safe space existed. same with parler after they temporarily shut down the site, demanded people send pictures of their drivers license or id just to register and verify their accounts, and then got hacked and had 31 million users data compromised and had all of their site data stolen, and then had a disclaimer on their homepage telling everybody to refrain from inciting violence towards others or posting pictures of their fecal matter at everybody after google had already pulled the plug on their cloud servers and they had to take their business to russia. i guess shit must have been getting pretty wild over there. quite literally.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Stop. The first shooter donated money to ACTBlue on the day Biden was inaugurated, and would have given his speech. He also had an obscure social media history uncovered where he was more preoccupied with and critical of Trump's anti-immigration policies. This was the Gab account. The Steam account and Discord accounts were found to be fake. The Gab account was not. The CEO testified to its nature. He posted on the site 9 times.

Trump gunman Thomas Crooks had a Gab account that he used to ‘support’ President Biden, site’s CEO says​

Your own article is mentioning conflicting reports between the CEO Andrew Torba and the testimony from FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbatte about his political views. Here's another source with some crucial context here:

The account @epicmicrowave — which the CEO stressed he has been “unable to confirm” was definitely Crooks’ — “posted on the site nine (9) times total,” Torba tweeted just 30 minutes after getting the law enforcement request.

So this account wasn't confirmed to be his and only had nine posts, you're going to make a definitive statement about his political views based on that?

Meanwhile, there is no evidence he ever supported a Republican candidate, or espoused right-wing views other than subscribing to a YouTube guns channel with pro-2A leanings, but that speaks more to his fascination with guns than to confirming any political sensibilities. There's no evidence he ever used his political registration to vote in any primaries.

It was very much left-wing sensibilities that formed his motives.

So being pro 2A is not a right wing view now? If anything based on his fascination with guns it was likely one of his top issues.

Everyone knows he was a registered Republican. Where he donated is where is heart lied. Even if you want to dismiss the fact that PA is a closed primary state. You saying there is a "preponderance" of evidence that he's a right winger is extreme exaggeration, at best. @Madmick gave the link about the Gab account. I suggest you read a little more into it.

He made one $15 donation to a left wing super PAC. PA being a closed primary state doesn't mean anything about his views one way or the other.

 

[Madmick]

Your own article is mentioning conflicting reports between the CEO Andrew Torba and the testimony from FBI Deputy Director Paul Abbatte about his political views. Here's another source with some crucial context here:

So this account wasn't confirmed to be his and only had nine posts, you're going to make a definitive statement about his political views based on that?

The FBI itself was the agency that contracted Gab with the belief it was his account, and Gab corroborated that suspicion. Neither has yet released any information contradicting this belief. Meanwhile, the Steam and Discord accounts tied to Gab, presumably the others mentioned by Abbate until we see more, were already found to be fake. Here were his posts on Gab:

So being pro 2A is not a right wing view now? If anything based on his fascination with guns it was likely one of his top issues.

Because the channel is primarily a gun enthusiast channel, not a politically oriented channel.

He made one $15 donation to a left wing super PAC. PA being a closed primary state doesn't mean anything about his views one way or the other.

Because it's more meaningful than registration. Registration costs nothing, especially if you haven't used it to vote.

But he tried to kill Trump. The most overwhelmingly powerful indication of his political sympathies is that. It's plain as day. If he was pro-2A, Trump isn't the candidate to target, after all.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The FBI itself was the agency that contracted Gab with the belief it was his account, and Gab corroborated that suspicion. Neither has yet released any information contradicting this belief. Meanwhile, the Steam and Discord accounts tied to Gab, presumably the others mentioned by Abbate until we see more, were already found to be fake. Here were his posts on Gab:

I'm pointing out that both seem hesitant to confirm definitively that it was his despite their suspicions though in fairness both seem fairly confident that it was indeed his account. As for their characterization of the posts the Gab CEO did seem to contradict the FBI deputy director.

That's interesting stuff but idk that it definitively points in either direction. He's definitely comes off as anti-Trump but that doesn't make him a left winger just like many anti-Biden folks aren't necessarily right wing.

Because the channel is primarily a gun enthusiast channel, not a politically oriented channel.

Don't you think its likely that he's pro 2A?

Because it's more meaningful than registration. Registration costs nothing, especially if you haven't used it to vote.

Idk that I'd take for granted that its more meaningful when the donation was only a one time contribution of $15.

But he tried to kill Trump. The most overwhelmingly powerful indication of his political sympathies is that. It's plain as day. If he was pro-2A, Trump isn't the candidate to target, after all.

I'm not denying that he didn't like Trump to be clear, I just don't buy that this guy was some dyed in the wool left winger. He comes off more like an anti-Trump right winger to me.

 

[Madmick]

I'm pointing out that both seem hesitant to confirm definitively that it was his despite their suspicions though in fairness both seem fairly confident that it was indeed his account. As for their characterization of the posts the Gab CEO did seem to contradict the FBI deputy director.

That's interesting stuff but idk that it definitively points in either direction. He's definitely comes off as anti-Trump but that doesn't make him a left winger just like many anti-Biden folks aren't necessarily right wing.

Don't you think its likely that he's pro 2A?

Idk that I'd take for granted that its more meaningful when the donation was only a one time contribution of $15.

I'm not denying that he didn't like Trump to be clear, I just don't buy that this guy was some dyed in the wool left winger. He comes off more like an anti-Trump right winger to me.

He is clearly defending Biden, Biden's immigration policies, and COVID lockdowns. His final rhetorical question is critical of Trump.

Meanwhile, there's no indication he had strong 2A beliefs of any kind. One could easily chalk up his subscription to a YouTube gun channel to his desire to learn how to kill someone with a gun.

 

[Islam Imamate]

He is clearly defending Biden, Biden's immigration policies, and COVID lockdowns. His final rhetorical question is critical of Trump.

He's definitely critical of Trump but that doesn't make him a left winger, there are right wingers who are critical of Trump and at least one classmate of his said he seemed to dislike all politicians. He comes off like an anti-government libertarian and someone with a distaste for the populist right.

Meanwhile, there's no indication he had strong 2A beliefs of any kind. One could easily chalk up his subscription to a YouTube gun channel to his desire to learn how to kill someone with a gun.

Except the fact that he was a gun enthusiast which doesn't seem to be a hobby he picked up merely to train for the assassination. The guy was buying gun YT merch so it was probably a sincere interest of his before he decided to take a shot at Trump

 

[Goutfather]

first shooter: mk ultra

second shooter: antifa

this dude: federal agent

 

[Madmick]

He's definitely critical of Trump but that doesn't make him a left winger, there are right wingers who are critical of Trump and at least one classmate of his said he seemed to dislike all politicians. He comes off like an anti-government libertarian and someone with a distaste for the populist right.

Libertarians were the most fiercely anti-lockdown group in existence. So no, he doesn't come off as a right-wing libertarian at all.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Libertarians were the most fiercely anti-lockdown group in existence. So no, he doesn't come off as a right-wing libertarian at all.

Left wingers are hardly known for being gun nuts either, the kid probably had an idiosyncratic collection of beliefs.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

this third guy doesn't seem like an assassin.
the previous two were legit nutters, this one doesn't give me that vibe.

 

[Madmick]

Left wingers are hardly known for being gun nuts either, the kid probably had an idiosyncratic collection of beliefs.

Left wingers & Democrats are far more likely to be gun enthusiasts, including firmer 2A supporters, than anti-government libertarians are to be pro-COVID lockdowns. And left wingers are definitely known for advocating for Biden, Biden immigration policies, COVID lockdowns, and anti-Trump sentiment. Unless one is willfully blind, it's clear where that clockhand is pointing.

Just as it is with Ryan Routh (as crazy as that guy is). The guy was a Democratic voter, ardent supporter of Biden's aid to the Ukraine, and a vocal critic of Trump and Republicans on the issue.

A spade is a space. Their deranged actions can't be blamed on right-wing thinking.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Left wingers & Democrats are far more likely to be gun enthusiasts, including firmer 2A supporters, than anti-government libertarians are to be pro-COVID lockdowns. And left wingers are definitely known for advocating for Biden, Biden immigration policies, COVID lockdowns, and anti-Trump sentiment. Unless one is willfully blind, it's clear where that clockhand is pointing.

Just as it is with Ryan Routh (as crazy as that guy is). The guy was a Democratic voter, ardent supporter of Biden's aid to the Ukraine, and a vocal critic of Trump and Republicans on the issue.

A spade is a space. Their deranged actions can't be blamed on right-wing thinking.

Idk about the 2nd shooter but I think its stretch to claim with certainty that Cook was a left winger when he was a registered Republican and a gun nut.

Idk if libertarian fits this guy either but he comes off like a contrarian right winger, someone who generally leans that way but finds himself disagreeing with other right wingers, The fact that he was even on Gab tells you leans right given that's how the userbase and company lean, if he was posting on bluesky that'd would indicate the opposite as that site leans left.

 

[Andy Capp]

Left wingers are hardly known for being gun nuts either, the kid probably had an idiosyncratic collection of beliefs.

Oh? You think someone who decides to assassinate the president just because he's in the area may not always be thinking in a consistent and rational manner?

 

[Madmick]

Idk about the 2nd shooter but I think its stretch to claim with certainty that Cook was a left winger when he was a registered Republican and a gun nut.

Oh, it's definitely the most reasonable assumption when the donation to the a liberal superPAC came after the registration, and on such a conspicuous day as the inauguration of Biden, when the Gab chats show him defending Biden's policies, and even taunting another user for failing to accurately predict the outcome of the election. After all, he never used his registration as a privilege to vote in any primaries, and as pollsters will note, people often neglect to change their registrations even after changing self-identified political affiliations.

Furthermore, again, I will emphasize, the most clear indication of his political sympathies was his assassination attempt of Trump. If there was ample evidence that he was right-wing, and his hatred of Trump stemmed from his belief that Trump was a RINO, or betrayed him on some radical far-right cause, only with that certainty would logic permit we refuse to accept what was plainly indicated by his actions on that day, and acknowledge they are at odds.

But we don't. There's nothing of substance to indicate that, and what we learned about him far more compellingly points in the opposite direction. You are committed to a willful blindness. It suggests your known bias is overruling your capacity to think logically.