Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[OldGoat]

Looters taking advantage of the situation destroying property? Should they be shot at?

They seem to be acting illegally. But who cares they are agents of the state.

 

[kahiljabroni]

Should find a new way to protest losers

 

[Prokofievian]

Thats because the reason behind the riot/protest is not legitimate, it is irrational. All of the signs say, "don't shoot me" or "don't shoot, hands up." Messages directed at the STL police. Statistically they are hundreds of times more likely to be shot by the people who are protesting with them, but yeah, better watch out for those murderous police officers, thats whats gonna get you. Its ridiculously illogical and dangerous. Dangerous because it further creates resentment with the people who are tasked to protect them and because it further deters good people from ever wanting to take these difficult public service jobs (police officer).

This is a red herring. You don't have to deny that one is a problem to protest the other, and saying that one is a bigger problem does not illegitimize the issue being protested: least of all when it is an issue as grave as police brutality and abuse of authority.

 

[Captain Davis]

Does anyone take Al Sharpton seriously?

 

[blaccbeard]

So a 6 month pregnant white woman was knocked out by a youth playing the knockout game... any outrage? No? Ok...

typical stormfront random race bait.

is it fucked a pregnant chick got punched? yes.

is she still alive and well? yes

does that have anything to do with this thread? no

 

[MuyThaiTom]

This is a red herring. You don't have to deny that one is a problem to protest the other, and saying that one is a bigger problem does not illegitimize the issue being protested: least of all when it is an issue as grave as police brutality and abuse of authority.

You don't have to deny that this "problem" exists but you at least need to have it in a someone realistic perspective. Hold other "issues" to the same standard that you hold the one that gives you a victim complex.

There are what, like .5 billion people in America? Anyone can find an example of anything they want. If I think people with last names that start with M have 3 siblings, red hair and punch woman there is literally someone in America who fits that description. Now all I need is a media outlet to feel the same way I do, put that ginger f*ck on TV and start a protest over this epidemic.

There have been 1 (ONE) example of police "murdering" an STL resident in recent history. And there is a chance it could be legitimate. Now everyone in STL is holding up signs like they are in iminent danger of getting shot by police. No lady holding a sign that says "don't shoot me", you got about 99 problems more serious than that, so go home and worry about reality and stop creating more division amongst us. Maybe even tell an officer, "thanks for your public service."

 

[IDL]

Does anyone take Al Sharpton seriously?

He must have some impact, otherwise he wouldn't have a job.

Even if it is just to stir the pot.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Your OCD'esque mantra won't save you here.

It's not a mantra, and it's not saving anything. You just straight up lie all the time. It's not like I'm saying "I believe X," and you're responding "No, X is false because..." With you, it's "you believe X," and I'm saying, "No, I don't." Your constant lies are just a way to avoid engaging in any actual substantive discussion.

Which is not the same thing as advocating police brutality or illegal police actions.

No, it's just expressing indifference to it. Liberals actively oppose that kind of thing, you know.

So after reading all that mess, I don't believe that pure democracy works all that well.

Something else you have in common with liberals, who support constitutions and representative democracy.

I don't think empowering the people who run the state apparatus in order to dish out goodies that are seized from the productive class merely because they are outnumbered by a parasite class is healthy for the long term viability of a nation.

Liberals don't either! Hence their support for progressive taxation, for example. And inheritance taxes (remember, the abolition of those were in the GOP's last platform).

Furthermore, the nuts that like to claim that being a female is a social construct are impossible to take seriously.

Such nuts don't actually exist, though. You're lying again. Anyway, that has nothing at all to do with liberalism.

That's not to say that left is completely devoid of good ideas. But the left's aversion to feedback mechanisms in government is indicative of the true motivation of the left which is strictly acquiring power and wealth. It's not a stretch to say that the Federal Government PBUI is the God of the left.

Not biting.

 

[AgeofEmpires2**]

typical stormfront random race bait.

is it fucked a pregnant chick got punched? yes.

is she still alive and well? yes

does that have anything to do with this thread? no

Nah, let's be honest here, crime is like the N word to many black people- It's normal and ok so long as a white person doesn't do it towards them.

 

[Falsedawn]

Hmm, if the robbery is the reason, which wasnt that given as a reason for the stop to begin with?*


Why does it take 10 days to release the name of the shooter, an autopsy, an incident report, something!*


Surely this couldn't be character assassination by the cops after the fact.*


Ferguson never has problems with police misconduct.*

 

[Prokofievian]

You don't have to deny that this "problem" exists but you at least need to have it in a someone realistic perspective. Hold other "issues" to the same standard that you hold the one that gives you a victim complex.

That's fine to say, but you do go on to deny that this problem is in any way deserving of anyone's attention.

There have been 1 (ONE) example of police "murdering" an STL resident in recent history. And there is a chance it could be legitimate. Now everyone in STL is holding up signs like they are in iminent danger of getting shot by police. No lady holding a sign that says "don't shoot me", you got about 99 problems more serious than that, so go home and worry about reality and stop creating more division amongst us. Maybe even tell an officer, "thanks for your public service."

That's precisely what you're saying here. You're saying that even if there is a problem with police brutality, and abuse of authority the latest and most egregious example of which is this shooting, you can't protest it because black people kill black people.

That's fucking absurd, and moreover relies on the same lies that C&T was relying on, namely that black people aren't concerned with the issue of black on black violence.

 

[Captain Davis]

Just saw the video of the "victim" allegedly stealing and manhandling the clerk at the convenience store.

What goes around comes around.

 

[spamking]

Would anyone here be so dense to explicitly say that?

(Actually, yes, that has been explicitly said elsewhere, just no here. Very surprising indeed.)

Making broad statements about a specific group of people is nothing new, but some of the stuff said around here is mind blowing.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Just saw the video of the "victim" allegedly stealing and manhandling the clerk at the convenience store.

What goes around comes around.

Ohhh, so that's why the cop robbed Brown and then shoved him. Good sense.

 

[Amerikuracana]

He was a neighborhood bully who didn't know how to act civilized around people smaller than him, and thought he could just take what he wanted because he was a big boy in the hood. THIS IS HOW THEY ARE THINKING IN THE CITY, THIS IS THE PROBLEM. We had big people in my neighborhood too, they didn't think they were above the law and rob people. Did not happen. Maybe some Albanians sometimes, but that's a different problem. There are cultures of violence within groups of people that have to be changed. We cannot stand for it. Police force DOES need to be checked, but THE LAST PLACE IN THE WORLD that has the right to complain about are violent black neighborhoods.

 

[MuyThaiTom]

That's fine to say, but you do go on to deny that this problem is in any way deserving of anyone's attention.



That's precisely what you're saying here. You're saying that even if there is a problem with police brutality, and abuse of authority the latest and most egregious example of which is this shooting, you can't protest it because black people kill black people.

That's fucking absurd, and moreover relies on the same lies that C&T was relying on, namely that black people aren't concerned with the issue of black on black violence.

I'm not focusing on race, more civilian vs police. I'm not saying it should be completely ignored. I'm saying you need to exercise some sort of context to each problem without spin.

No matter what, no matter how much attention we bring, protest etc, there will be incidents with police. There are .5 billion people in America, it is statistically impossible for policing to go smoothly without issue.

How many of the other >1000 murder victims in the greater STL area in the last 4 years can you name without googling it? For most people it is 0 because they just didn't happen to fall into the right narrative. But yeah, police are the ones to look out for. Let them get back to work on real issues.

 

[OldGoat]

Hmm, if the robbery is the reason, which wasnt that given as a reason for the stop to begin with?*


Why does it take 10 days to release the name of the shooter, an autopsy, an incident report, something!*


Surely this couldn't be character assassination by the cops after the fact.*


Ferguson never has problems with police misconduct.*

Read the rest, it's damning.

*http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...erguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

Institutional corruption is intrinsic in government. Cannot be helped.

Shame you big state apologists only see it in your deity's enforcement arm.

 

[spamking]

Just saw the video of the "victim" allegedly stealing and manhandling the clerk at the convenience store.

What goes around comes around.

I couldn't imagine owning a convenience store and having to deal with theft like that.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Nah, let's be honest here, crime is like the N word to many black people- It's normal and ok so long as a white person doesn't do it towards them.

How do you say things like this and still vehemently deny being a racist?

 

[Ayin]

So, help someone out who's clearly not part of the community, has nothing invested in the original situation at all (who's guilty of what and whether the end result was justified),

Is anyone actually going to be able to talk about how quickly the police armed up and started gassing out, shutting down and arresting journalists covering the events? Because to me that's the issue that should be talked about, that's the one that's just insane.