Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

[nhbbear]

Cops can and should shoot a fleeing suspect if they just assaulted the officer.

Not correct. Assault/battery first offense on a police officer is a misdemeanor offense in most places, felony in others. The only time the fleeing felon rule applies is when the suspect presents an imminent threat to the community if that subject is allowed to escape. I don't think that applies in this situation.

 

[Like A Bas]

This isn't what is happening though. Strawman argument and you are dehumanising the police.

At the end of the day, a policeman is still a human doing his job and has little to no personal investment in trying to f**k with you. Probably wants to just finish his shift, go home, f**k his wife/have a wank and go to bed.

Crap assumption when you're dealing with poor black neighborhoods patrolled by white cops who have a history of racial violence and discrimination.

 

[Like A Bas]

How come Carmelo Anthony will do a stop snitching video, but we can't get anyone to do a help your brother out and tell the police who the fuck killed him video?

Pretty thick irony considering that the cops wouldn't tell the community who killed this guy.

 

[cincymma79]

i'll take their word over the word of the killer, who's got more reason to lie?

Actually they used a double negative so that would make it seem the guy had been doing something wrong

 

[Denter]

It's the deliberate perversion of language. Can't escape it.

Marxism is full of these long-winded spasms of complicated pseudo-scientific language, where a single sentence will often do. Marxism and all its children and linear decedents thrive on neologisms because to explain the concepts they are discussing in plain language makes them sound, well, crazy.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Well, take it court, display the evidence before a judge and jury and determine if the officer broke the law or not. Ya know, be civilised, Not riot, loot and destroy the local businesses that had nothing to do with the case.

riots happen when people are oppressed. they shouldn't but they do.

 

[OldGoat]

Another lie. You seem mentally ill. Like, you literally can't help yourself. You have to lie all the time.

Your OCD'esque mantra won't save you here.

There are many conservatives in this very thread (and in the media--like at Allen and Scarborough's comments) saying that if everyone just listened to the cops and did whatever they said, there would be no problem.

Which is not the same thing as advocating police brutality or illegal police actions. Maybe I missed those posts claiming that extrajudicial death squads and executions of ghetto dwellers is a good thing. Works in Brazil right?

So what are your intellectual differences with modern liberalism?

First of all, what is modern liberalism? Does anyone know? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States

Wikipedia knows! So after reading all that mess, I don't believe that pure democracy works all that well. And thus I support a constrained system of government that is a republic so we can have people in office that have a bit of a brain and can mitigate the excesses of mob rule. I don't think empowering the people who run the state apparatus in order to dish out goodies that are seized from the productive class merely because they are outnumbered by a parasite class is healthy for the long term viability of a nation.

Furthermore, the nuts that like to claim that being a female is a social construct are impossible to take seriously.

That's not to say that left is completely devoid of good ideas. But the left's aversion to feedback mechanisms in government is indicative of the true motivation of the left which is strictly acquiring power and wealth. It's not a stretch to say that the Federal Government PBUI is the God of the left.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Looking at the clothing description of the guy in the video and the body on the street after the shooting I am fairly certain it's the same guy. Look at the shirt and especially the socks and footwear match. Not to mention the kid that was with Brown admitted they were in the store.

yeah i thought the news was saying there were 2 guys and the dead guy wasn't the one robbing. seems he was. obviously a dick for what he did, but i am thinking if he stopped and put his hands up the cop shouldn't have shot him.

 

[speakhandsforme]

Cops can and should shoot a fleeing suspect if they just assaulted the officer.

Wrong and wrong

 

[TheFirstEMP]

lol might have punched a cop, according to who? the cop who killed him?

and no, once he stopped running and put his hands up the cop didn't have the right to shoot him. according to the witnesses the cop was chasing him down shooting his gun. i don't think that's real solid police work right there.

Can you ever just wait for all the evidence to come out?

 

[MuyThaiTom]

riots happen when people are oppressed. they shouldn't but they do.

So a riot in and of itself legitimizes the views of the rioters? If my worldview believes a certain group is oppressing me and I riot, I am automatically validated?

How many times did they riot about their fellow STL residents being murdered by other STL residents? Are those 100-200 victims a year less important than Mike Brown?

 

[rocketskates]

yeah i thought the news was saying there were 2 guys and the dead guy wasn't the one robbing. seems he was. obviously a dick for what he did, but i am thinking if he stopped and put his hands up the cop shouldn't have shot him.

It's a tough case. The officer had good reason to stop Brown and judging by the video stills it would seem Brown had a tendency to put his hands on people. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he battered the cop. Also, given the relationship of the police and the citizens in that town I don't think the witnesses are giving the total truth. I wouldn't expect them to say Brown was beating the officer into a pulp and he had no choice but to shoot him.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out and I wouldn't want to be the one handling the investigation. I think the pd should release photos of the officers injuries. One thing is certain, Brown wasn't some perfect choir boy and I can't wrap my head around the opinion that the cop shot him "for no reason" in the middle of a public street in the daytime. Especially considering he's been on the job six years and never been disciplined.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Can you ever just wait for all the evidence to come out?

That would be an impossibility for him.

Nicky has the narrative in his small little brain. Look at the previous page...He denies that brown was robbing the store despite the photos.

 

[shockaholic12]

Looters taking advantage of the situation destroying property? Should they be shot at?

 

[TheFirstEMP]

is this for real?

I wonder how the liberal media are going to spin this.

The man was choking obviously and he was just applying the Heimlich maneuver to save his life. Must've worked, the guy was out of there in no time.

 

[afrdzak]

So a riot in and of itself legitimizes the views of the rioters? If my worldview believes a certain group is oppressing me and I riot, I am automatically validated?

How many times did they riot about their fellow STL residents being murdered by other STL residents? Are those 100-200 victims a year less important than Mike Brown?

I would assume that people rioted for the following reasons:

1. Opportunistic means of looting
2. Anger at the police force for abusing their powers on a public that pays via tax dollars to protect and serve them.

In the history of the world, rioting is almost always pointed at the gov't and/or gov't entities and not on "fellow citizens".

To the public, it is more egregious for a police officer to murder a citizen than for a civilian to murder a citizen. It is a breach of trust and goes against the very ideology of what a police officer does and is paid to do.

To me, the difference is very clear. Not saying that rioting is right...but I am able to discern the reasoning behind more anger towards a murder via cop than a murder via regular citizen.

 

[Cuzcatlan]

Looters taking advantage of the situation destroying property? Should they be shot at?

Ferguson swat team tear gasses Al Jazeera crew: http://youtu.be/

 

[Prokofievian]

I would assume that people rioted for the following reasons:

1. Opportunistic means of looting
2. Anger at the police force for abusing their powers on a public that pays via tax dollars to protect and serve them.

In the history of the world, rioting is almost always pointed at the gov't and/or gov't entities and not on "fellow citizens".

To the public, it is more egregious for a police officer to murder a citizen than for a civilian to murder a citizen. It is a breach of trust and goes against the very ideology of what a police officer does and is paid to do.

To me, the difference is very clear. Not saying that rioting is right...but I am able to discern the reasoning behind more anger towards a murder via cop than a murder via regular citizen.

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Moreover, in instances like this, an apparent injustice sparked outrage in a community, protests started, and then riots followed. But somehow, in all of this, what we are supposed to do is condemn the rioting, rather than acknowledging the legitimate protest (and the ostensible police brutality following it) and reasons behind it. Like, all legitimate political action is devoid of all rioting, and any political action that includes rioting is by definition illegitimate.

If these posters were around in 1789, they'd be talking about the destruction of Monsieur Reveillon's factory.

 

[TheFirstEMP]

So a 6 month pregnant white woman was knocked out by a youth playing the knockout game... any outrage? No? Ok...

 

[MuyThaiTom]

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Moreover, in instances like this, an apparent injustice sparked outrage in a community, protests started, and then riots followed. But somehow, in all of this, what we are supposed to do is condemn the rioting, rather than acknowledging the legitimate protest (and the ostensible police brutality following it) and reasons behind it. Like, all legitimate political action is devoid of all rioting, and any political action that includes rioting is by definition illegitimate.

If these posters were around in 1789, they'd be talking about the destruction of Monsieur Reveillon's factory.

Thats because the reason behind the riot/protest is not legitimate, it is irrational. All of the signs say, "don't shoot me" or "don't shoot, hands up." Messages directed at the STL police. Statistically they are hundreds of times more likely to be shot by the people who are protesting with them, but yeah, better watch out for those murderous police officers, thats whats gonna get you. Its ridiculously illogical and dangerous. Dangerous because it further creates resentment with the people who are tasked to protect them and because it further deters good people from ever wanting to take these difficult public service jobs (police officer).