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Crime Riot+Looting in Ferguson, MO

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It was one of the more WTF is wrong with people situations.

The reason it got brought up during trayvon is exactly because it didn't have panels on tv discussing it or it didn't bring white people out to do a hands across America for them.

There was also the complaint that when blacks do something, they are acting as individuals not as a group, but when something happens to a black person of all a sudden it is happening to the entire race instead of the individual.

the underline nail it, you always heard it when race was mentioned in black on white violent crime, they always said, "hey race got nothing to do with that, people should be judged as an individual." but when the other way around, they all suddenly want to become a group.
 
I'd say the probability that trey attacked zim because zim appeared to be white is highly more probable then the other way around.

Zim has black business partners, dated a black girl, and had many black friends while trey called zim a creepy ass cracka. Treys own friend testified under oath that he was racist.

and what is shocking to me is how many people just believes that Zimmerman shot trey because he was black, although its proven that its not. it was clear that he got punched in the head repeatedly, i mean its proves that if Trey was not attacking, most likely there will be no shooting. im not in anyway or from defending zimmerman or anyone in this case, its just you got this more obvious hate crime from black to white, and people just quickly find an excuse, but then attack anyone who make excuse for Zimmerman "race profiling" .
 

It was a rhetorical question meant to highlight the inclusion of possible racial profiling. I won't debate you on that, though, because it's unknowable and needless.

Why is it any black on white crime gets the benefit of the doubt, but racism has to be a factor in any white on black killing? Again that may just be the media starting up shit, but they do a damn good job at it. And once it's out there it really never goes away, especially to a certain percentage of the public.

That's not the case. You're including your conclusion in your premise. Have you seen sentencing disparity on crimes in which the offender is black (and/or poor) and the victim is white (and/or wealthy)? I assure you that no preferential treatment is given. It's just that these lightning rod cases like Trayvon exist not because of the heinousness of the act (as would be the case with the case (errr) you cited), but the system which is perpetuated in the act. Again, violence across races happen every day: these cases which are gaining traction now are doing do because they are indicative to latent prejudice-driven instances which have been brushed over for years.

For all I know, race is involved in the mens rea of every single goddamn crime committed across races. However, a black man killing a white man out of racial hatred reflects on the black man individually: it cannot (in any instance I can fathom at the moment) reflect institutional problems. At least not at this juncture.

He probably would have given two shits if there were reports of a white man breaking into homes.

Also white people get pulled over and searched too, not just black people.

I think one of us may have the details of the Trayvon case mistaken, because I do not recall any B&E's in that storyline.

And, yes, I'm sure they do, but not with the same consistency and obvious discrimination. I know that I have never been harassed by a police officer while walking down the street. And the active racism within law enforcement groups is a whole issue in itself. Another St. Louis-area poster and were speaking in this thread earlier of how we both knew cops in this area (he is Stl and I in Chicago) who are aggressively racist as a mere novelty.

Do you believe that white people can’t be the targets of racism and racial violence?

Of course they can. But that doesn't carry the same implications pertaining to policy and institutional trends.
 
I think one of us may have the details of the Trayvon case mistaken, because I do not recall any B&E's in that storyline.

And, yes, I'm sure they do, but not with the same consistency and obvious discrimination. I know that I have never been harassed by a police officer while walking down the street. And the active racism within law enforcement groups is a whole issue in itself. Another St. Louis-area poster and were speaking in this thread earlier of how we both knew cops in this area (he is Stl and I in Chicago) who are aggressively racist as a mere novelty.


Google search and you will find out that there were B&E
 
But you said Zimmerman saw him breaking into a house. Are there reports of that?

Did I? You should use google. What is stopping you?


Policies that reflect institutional racism?

Just within the justice system: heightened likelihood to be questioned or detained in suspicion of criminal activity, higher arrest rates (controlling for the crime thought to be committed), and harsher sentencing trends are a good start.

Black people commit a lot of crimes. Maybe they should stop.
 
but you said zimmerman saw him breaking into a house. Are there reports of that? I'm aware that b&e's have at some time happened in florida.


I'll choose not to address this portion.





Policies that reflect institutional racism?

Just within the justice system: heightened likelihood to be questioned or detained in suspicion of criminal activity, higher arrest rates (controlling for the crime thought to be committed), and harsher sentencing trends are a good start.

there is far more crimes in places like detroit than the suburbs, grow up before the world gets fed up
 
Goddamn, everywhere I go in the WR, it's a Zimmerman and TM debate.
 
If you want to live in an alternate reality go ahead. A google search will change your mind though.

See ya

There is not a single bit of evidence that Martin had come from a B&E job or had taken part in any similar undertakings in that neighborhood.

You're speaking out of your ass.

Regarding your view on racial criminality, I'm afraid your condition is terminal. If you can only respond to issues with dip shit statements like "blacks commit too many crimes so they shouldn't commit crimes" that take no real stance on actual points of contention, there's nothing I can do to help you.
 
People/ the media will just focus on the looting now rather than admitting that their country has developed some seriously deep social problems. Now, I don't think there's ever been a riot in history that didn't involve looting, but if there was no looting the next line of defence by people would be to label this a race issue, rather than a cops are killing too many people issue. If anarchy breaks out of course some people are going to start fucking looting, but the looting shouldn't distract from the reason the riots start in the first place.
 
Goddamn, everywhere I go in the WR, it's a Zimmerman and TM debate.

Haha, I swear this is my first time getting pulled into the issue. I don't even think I had partaken in the discussion when it was actually relevant.
 
of course the cops will side with the officer and say it was justified and hope it all blows over. the best thing that can happen is the pos cops that were there can face of with the looters and they all take each other out.

every time shit like this happens i hope that finally cops will have enough of the police departments in this country. because they go unchallenged, literally every department in this country is corrupt and full of losers that are mostly worse than the people they are supposed to be protecting them from. even the best cops wont do shit to weed out the shit ones.

so yea, i hope this finally starts a move against cleaning up the police departments, but instead i know all it means is that some loser teens got some sweet new kicks
 
There is not a single bit of evidence that Martin had come from a B&E job or had taken part in any similar undertakings in that neighborhood.

You're speaking out of your ass.

Unreal. There were reports of B&E’s committed by a black person. Google it. Why would Zimmerman be looking out for a white guy?

Regarding your view on racial criminality, I'm afraid your condition is terminal. If you can only respond to issues with dip shit statements like "blacks commit too many crimes so they shouldn't commit crimes" that take no real stance on actual points of contention, there's nothing I can do to help you.

They do commit a lot of crimes and that’s probably why there’s a “heightened likelihood to be questioned or detained in suspicion of criminal activity, higher arrest rates (controlling for the crime thought to be committed), and harsher sentencing .”

So what do you want to see happen here. What’s your solution? Please don't suggest rioting and more criminal activity.
 
shit was crazy. cant believe I live 2mins away from this. all i got to say is its not a stereotype if it always becomes true.
 
Oddly enough, what disgusts me the most is the threat of Anonymous to give out personal information of all of the officers in the department. Even if the officer screwed up (which it hasn't been proven that he did yet) all of the other ones are guilty by association? I even saw some people putting comments on the facebook article like "just give us the pigs names and addresses and we'll take care of the rest". It's pretty clear what Anonymous' intentions would be by releasing all the cops' personal info that are members of the department.
 
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