International Riot in Sweden.

SanchoMF said:
Preach. This kind of behaviour might be normal in their countries (and geez, in what great state they're in!) but not in the West. I just hope more regular people will wake up and smell the roses asap.
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Multiculturalism just doesn't work. Never has, never will.

When in Rome, and all that.

The local Swedes share the blame in all of this as they allowed the problem to fester. Should have set ground rules and enforced them, or never allowed people from a polar opposite culture from their own to take root. You just can't let a religion with an expansionist history in if you don't have safeguards or want things to stay the same.
 
A Very Serious Cat said:
At least blm riot over perceved injustices to people. Muslims will riot and kill over a book or cartoon
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I mean you can say that’s why they riot, but we all know that’s not true.
 
evansusmc2 said:
Freedom of speech display. But isn’t this another European country that has free speech with janky exceptions? Like in England people can say anything... but get tossed in arrested for misgendering someone.
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What I think is wistful to admit is that more of this variety of deeds is needed for the whole population to detect, and for our politicians to examine what is really veiling under the facade of a clan-based religious mentality. My homeland has been almost bestowed from Islamic terrorist crimes. Our newspapers and media report on the rough sides of this opposite mentality. But it does not give sufficient effect for all political parties to candidly begin to criticize and demand a adjustment in the attitude of the incomprehensible. A provocative method that brings out the unacceptable mentality in the spotlight is needed.

A psychology which are like ticking bombs, easy to lose your temper, where violence is to be directed against infidels, and the throwing of stones at the authorities is a remnant they share with their homelands and that they chant in a deeply passionate and disturbing way that their God is the only one. The antagonism and signals they displayed to all terrified Swedes in front of the TV yesterday will remain. And we need more of this commodity, so that everyone really understands what we are dealing with. The swedes needs more loud chantings around Allah Akbar.

What happened yesterday was not a normal Friday of burning multiple cars, but that it resembled something that happens in Pakistan, or the rage Iranian zealots show when it comes to the US. My children were spooked when awfully threatening teenagers appeared on local news with lynching in their eyes and reciting Allah Akbar. My daughter asked what they said and I told her that they were angry because some had burned a book of theirs. I did not tell why, since this is our way of raising our children. We do not mention Islam in the home as it puts us adults in a bad frame of mind.

It's really serious, I'm not pretending.
 
Bald1 said:
Lol. I misspelled "peckerwood". It's usually used to describe backwards, racist, white trash people. Probably a racist term, but not really sure anymore. It's a perfect fit for supremacist cousin fuckers, which is exactly the type of people you'd not want leering at your woman's hair - so you cover her up, or he might lose control and blame her for his lack of self control.

And that's Islam in a nutshell.
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Thank you!

I was completely put off and did not know how to interpret the differences between a peckerwood and a woodpecker.
 
sweede said:
What I think is wistful to admit is that more of this variety of deeds is needed for the whole population to detect, and for our politicians to examine what is really veiling under the facade of a clan-based religious mentality. My homeland has been almost bestowed from Islamic terrorist crimes. Our newspapers and media report on the rough sides of this opposite mentality. But it does not give sufficient effect for all political parties to candidly begin to criticize and demand a adjustment in the attitude of the incomprehensible. A provocative method that brings out the unacceptable mentality in the spotlight is needed.

A psychology which are like ticking bombs, easy to lose your temper, where violence is to be directed against infidels, and the throwing of stones at the authorities is a remnant they share with their homelands and that they chant in a deeply passionate and disturbing way that their God is the only one. The antagonism and signals they displayed to all terrified Swedes in front of the TV yesterday will remain. And we need more of this commodity, so that everyone really understands what we are dealing with. The swedes needs more loud chantings around Allah Akbar.

What happened yesterday was not a normal Friday of burning multiple cars, but that it resembled something that happens in Pakistan, or the rage Iranian zealots show when it comes to the US. My children were spooked when awfully threatening teenagers appeared on local news with lynching in their eyes and reciting Allah Akbar. My daughter asked what they said and I told her that they were angry because some had burned a book of theirs. I did not tell why, since this is our way of raising our children. We do not mention Islam in the home as it puts us adults in a bad frame of mind.

It's really serious, I'm not pretending.
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Denna skit krossar mitt hjärta.
Godspeed Swedes, sober up an clean your act.
 
sweede said:
When do i get rid of my doubles so i can give a like for this little good reply of yours?
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If you have the right connections, know the right people, you can make a phone call and get rid of them in a moments notice

@Kafir-kun Yellowed me one time. I made one phone call and he understood it was all a misunderstanding. Lasted one day.
 
Bald1 said:
Multiculturalism just doesn't work. Never has, never will.

When in Rome, and all that.

The local Swedes share the blame in all of this as they allowed the problem to fester. Should have set ground rules and enforced them, or never allowed people from a polar opposite culture from their own to take root. You just can't let a religion with an expansionist history in if you don't have safeguards or want things to stay the same.
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But America is a multicultural society and it works just fine. Even before recent immigration America always had distinct cultural spheres; New England, the South, The MidWest, the Pacific Northwest and so on. You also had distinct religious communities dotting the country like the Amish and the Quakers and the Mormons etc. And of course now you have things like Chinatown and Little Italy and North Cuba(i.e. Miami).

India is too and while India isn't(yet) a shining city on a hill for a post-colonial society its actually pretty amazing. Democratic, relatively stable, certainly better off than Pakistan which went in the opposite direction and tried for homogeneity. Sure its a poor shithole but America wasn't a super power 70 years after independence either, actually had a Civil War on the horizon at that time, and I think after over 200 years of being plundered India's doing fairly well compared to other post-colonial societies like the Central African Republic, Rwanda, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen and India is at least if not far more diverse than those countries; it has almost as many official languages as the EU does for instance.

The common denominator is federalism which is what you want for multicultural societies but that only works if the different cultures are geographically distinct. What's happened in Europe is that there was no cohesive integration policy and you end up with ethnic underclasses concentrated in city slums. Whether its Poles or Pakistanis it doesn't turn out very well. That's just exacerbated by the social disintegration that occurs under capitalism which leads to falling birth rates and the breakdown of the family.
 
Yehudim said:
Fedor fans circa 2006-2010 whenever you pointed out that he is not perfect
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MicroBrew said:
So Muslims get angry in Sweden and riot and you somehow tie it to Lebron and BLM ....

You guys have BLM derangement syndrome.
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everything's America!

That said. I'm too damn American stupid to understand what's going on here.
 
Kafir-kun said:
But America is a multicultural society and it works just fine. Even before recent immigration America always had distinct cultural spheres; New England, the South, The MidWest, the Pacific Northwest and so on. You also had distinct religious communities dotting the country like the Amish and the Quakers and the Mormons etc. And of course now you have things like Chinatown and Little Italy and North Cuba(i.e. Miami).

India is too and while India isn't(yet) a shining city on a hill for a post-colonial society its actually pretty amazing. Democratic, relatively stable, certainly better off than Pakistan which went in the opposite direction and tried for homogeneity. Sure its a poor shithole but America wasn't a super power 70 years after independence either, actually had a Civil War on the horizon at that time, and I think after over 200 years of being plundered India's doing fairly well compared to other post-colonial societies like the Central African Republic, Rwanda, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen and India is at least if not far more diverse than those countries; it has almost as many official languages as the EU does for instance.

The common denominator is federalism which is what you want for multicultural societies but that only works if the different cultures are geographically distinct. What's happened in Europe is that there was no cohesive integration policy and you end up with ethnic underclasses concentrated in city slums. Whether its Poles or Pakistanis it doesn't turn out very well. That's just exacerbated by the social disintegration that occurs under capitalism which leads to falling birth rates and the breakdown of the family.
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Are we sure about this?

I don't see how a country can be a melting pot and multicultural at the same time. Absent the usual requirements that define "culture" - language, ethnicity and language, I've always looked at American culture as based on the ideas behind the Constitution.

Yes, there are enclaves of distinct people, but aside from some mostly innocuous religious strongholds that self segregate and don't try to spread that's the tie that binds.

I don't mean to get hung op on your very first sentence, but don't want to get lost in that thing we do where we lose each other due to misunderstanding.
 
Bald1 said:
Are we sure about this?

I don't see how a country can be a melting pot and multicultural at the same time. Absent the usual requirements that define "culture" - language, ethnicity and language, I've always looked at American culture as based on the ideas behind the Constitution.

Yes, there are enclaves of distinct people, but aside from some mostly innocuous religious strongholds that self segregate and don't try to spread that's the tie that binds.

I don't mean to get hung op on your very first sentence, but don't want to get lost in that thing we do where we lose each other due to misunderstanding.
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The ideas behind the US constitution are not in and of themselves a culture, not by a long shot. As you yourself point out it lacks all the important hallmarks of culture like language, ethnicity, religion, and so on. Its just a political document, an extraordinary one but no the basis of a culture.

The counter argument to my claim here is what Samuel Huntington put forward in Who Are We? where he argues America was united by a common Anglo-Protestant culture which is what informed the Founding Fathers. That's doesn't mean you have to be ethnically Anglo-Saxon and religious Protestant to be American, just that we had a unifying culture influenced by those traditions that immigrant communities like the Irish/Italian Catholics assimilated to. Hence John Locke arguing that atheists and Catholics aren't entitled to religious freedom because they undermine this necessary cultural heritage that buttresses said freedom; Catholics because they are papists who take their marching orders from the Pope and atheists because their lack of belief in God means they have no rational basis to believe in natural rights.

But even Huntington points out the Protestant culture of America was a dissident one, made up of Protestant minorities looking for religious freedom from Europe. So even under his framework we had a sort of multiculturalism of dissident Protestant sects that created their own independent communities and had to find a modus vivendi with one another.
 
Kafir-kun said:
The ideas behind the US constitution are not in and of themselves a culture, not by a long shot. As you yourself point out it lacks all the important hallmarks of culture like language, ethnicity, religion, and so on. Its just a political document, an extraordinary one but no the basis of a culture.

The counter argument to my claim here is what Samuel Huntington put forward in Who Are We? where he argues America was united by a common Anglo-Protestant culture which is what informed the Founding Fathers. That's doesn't mean you have to be ethnically Anglo-Saxon and religious Protestant to be American, just that we had a unifying culture influenced by those traditions that immigrant communities like the Irish/Italian Catholics assimilated to. Hence John Locke arguing that atheists and Catholics aren't entitled to religious freedom because they undermine this necessary cultural heritage that buttresses said freedom; Catholics because they are papists who take their marching orders from the Pope and atheists because their lack of belief in God means they have no rational basis to believe in natural rights.

But even Huntington points out the Protestant culture of America was a dissident one, made up of Protestant minorities looking for religious freedom from Europe. So even under his framework we had a sort of multiculturalism of dissident Protestant sects that created their own independent communities and had to find a modus vivendi with one another.
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And that's exactly where I'm coming from. In absence of a shared history, Americans are expected to adopt an idea. The constitution, the rebellious nature borne of rugged individualism, and the American enterprising spirit is what I think filled the void.

I haven't fleshed out this little theory of mine, but to say America is a land without its own distinct culture sounds wrong to me.
 
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