Rickson Gracie FAQ

Yes this is an exact quote taken from Reila's book. Rolls's wife's comment is also a direct quote.

Also, I tried to make it clear on the post that Helio loved Rolls very much and that this quote was an outburst of jealousy and bitterness. Yes, he was bitter about the fact that Rorion constantly lost to Rolls. The Gracies were very competitive in-family relation, and vanity is a family trait. Any recent Royce or Helio interview always show a little bit of vanity, that extra effort to make them seem great. Although it is true, it is human and it does not obfuscate their very great accomplishments for martial arts. Helio wanted Rorion to be the family champion. But despite the fact that he was a brilliant guy, and a charismatic leader, hhis skill on the mat was not nearly on the same level as that of some of the other family members. And that disappointed Helio deeply. The fact that Rolls was so much better than Rorion got to him, as I assume it would peeve any father.

The Helio quote was an unfortunate outburst, like I said, and he regretted it instantly. We can assume that him being Rolls's surrogate father, he must have been dealing with a lot of emotions at the time, like everyone else.

Reiterating: Direct quote from Reila's biography of Carlos, I believe she and Mauricio Gomes, as well as Margarida, witnessed the exchange. As for her trying to put down Helio's legacy, I doubt it. Simply because the dirt she pulled on her father was ten times more damaging, if one were looking for something to hate on.

To give you an idea... Carlos convinced his best friend and longtime business associate Oscar Santa Maria that he (Carlos) channelled a Peruvian spirit who gave him advice, and that spirit told Carlos to have a baby with his friend's wife. He convinced his friend to allow it and impregnated her.

The baby, Carlos Gracie Jr., was born in Peru. The friends kept on being friends. Reila told this, and a lot more stuff that made Gracies, from both sides of the family, shuffle in their chairs with looks of " oh no she didnt" stamped on their faces.

The truth is that the one who taught Jiu-Jitsu to Rolls was not Carlos but Helio. So I don't see why Helio instead of being proud would be jealous about Rolls skills, if he was the best representative of Helio's own style and techniques. If one of Helio's son would write a book they will be telling a different story, so I guess at the end you choose who to believe, if you believe what Reila say on her book that's fine.
On the other hand, I don't know why Reila would write this about Helio, she should be thankful because her husband, a black belt under Rolls and even her own son, Roger, both have Helio's style and philosophy of Jiu-Jitsu: basics, close guard, choke from mount kind of stuff. Nobody in Gracie Barra fights like this, Roger's Jiu-Jitsu is Helio's Jiu-Jitsu.
 
I know this is a Rickson thread but I would love to hear more about Carlos
 
Is there some irony in the fact that the best Gracie right now isn't really a Gracie?

You must be joking. Roger Gracie Gomes not only isnt a Gracie, but he is half-Gracie and half-Mauricio Gomes, one of Rolls's best friends and best students and one of the toughest, best black belts of the 80s.

That's pedigree.
 
The truth is that the one who taught Jiu-Jitsu to Rolls was not Carlos but Helio. So I don't see why Helio instead of being proud would be jealous about Rolls skills, if he was the best representative of Helio's own style and techniques. If one of Helio's son would write a book they will be telling a different story, so I guess at the end you choose who to believe, if you believe what Reila say on her book that's fine.
On the other hand, I don't know why Reila would write this about Helio, she should be thankful because his husband, a black belt under Rolls and even his own son, Roger, both have Helio's style and philosophy of Jiu-Jitsu: basics, close guard, choke from mount kind of stuff. Nobody in Gracie Barra fights like this, Roger's Jiu-Jitsu is Helio's Jiu-Jitsu.

Of course Helio taught Rolls. He raised him, he didn't just teach him.
Though it is true that if Helio's sons wrote another book it would be different, that doesn't mean that Reila lied. In this case there were a few witnesses to the outburst.

Like I said already, Reila digs up more dirt on her father than anyone else, and that gives the book some credibility of impartiality.
 
You must be joking. Roger Gracie Gomes not only isnt a Gracie, but he is half-Gracie and half-Mauricio Gomes, one of Rolls's best friends and best students and one of the toughest, best black belts of the 80s.

That's pedigree.

I was just having a laugh.
 
You must be joking. Roger Gracie Gomes not only isnt a Gracie, but he is half-Gracie and half-Mauricio Gomes, one of Rolls's best friends and best students and one of the toughest, best black belts of the 80s.

That's pedigree.

Seriously though...
 
The truth is that the one who taught Jiu-Jitsu to Rolls was not Carlos but Helio. So I don't see why Helio instead of being proud would be jealous about Rolls skills, if he was the best representative of Helio's own style and techniques. .

I would guess because he woesn't of Helio's blood. And he bested Helio's blood children. Of course he was very proud of Rolls, but there im sure in the back of his head he wished his DNA, his blood line would prove better.

Its just a case of vanity, very natural.
 
What did Helio gracie think of Gracie barra being that is a direct lineage from his brothers sides son Carlos gracie Jr. I know Gracie barra was formed when Rolls died in the hang gliding accident.

Also is the book about Carlos gracie Sr in English?
 
How did Rockson die?

It is not known for sure. The reason for this is that he disappeared and appeared dead a while later, and those who know it for sure simply will not talk about it. The official story was a motorcycle accident, but nowadays there are two theories which have been hinted at and mentioned by some who would know:

-Rockson died of a drug overdose.
-Rockson skipped town and left LA with drugs belonging to dealers who eventually caught up with him in New York.

Whether the truth will come out isn't known.

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Father and son

Why does Rickson want so much money to fight? Isn't he just using it as an excuse not to?

Whether or not he is using it as an excuse is something that only he would know. Most with some knowledge believe not. The reason for that is his expectations are not in sync with what is being paid to american fighters by the UFC nowadays, and that is the payscale the modern MMA fan is used to.

The most well-paid MMA fighter in the world , do you know who that is?
Fedor? Wrong. Lesnar? Wrong again. Who then?

The most well paid fighter in the world is Royce Gracie, having been paid far over 1 million dollars plus undisclosed bonuses per fight, to fight in K-1 NYE events in 2004 and 2005.

It is in that scale that Rickson defined his own expected pay, which is speculated to be around 2.5-3 million dollars, taking into consideration his massive popularity in Japan and previous salaries he had received. Very high, but in accordance to a previously realistic standard.

Nowadays nobody in the MMA world can or is willing to pay that, so he had been effectively retired until he officially retired in 2009.

Is he going to fight again?

No. As of 2009 Rickson is officially retired and no longer interested in fighting professionally.

So what is he up to now?

Rickson is giving seminars on jiu jitsu and trying to develop jiu jitsu as his father saw it: not a fighting tool but a social tool, to give confidence to women, children, and physically weak individuals by giving them the ability to defend themselves.
This is in tune with his father's beliefs and the direction which he has taken for his life and jiu jitsu.

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One last thing, I watched Choke and I am curious, what in the hell is it that Rickson does with his stomach?

That is a skill common to experts in Swasthya Yoga, which Rickson practices. It requires a long time of practice to acquire that level of control of normally involuntary muscles. It's a breathing exercise.

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Rickson doing Yoga, one of his most famous pictures

Other minor facts about Rickson:

-He follows the Gracie Diet, detailed here: Gracie Diet

The family has always claimed that this diet is the secret behind their longevity, it was developed by Carlos Gracie based upon an Argentinian doctor's experimental diet. It is followed by most family members since it is what they grew up on and is also something of a family tradition.

-Rickson's son Kron currently competes in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. He has plans to go into MMA purely with Jiu Jitsu to follow in the Gracie family tradition. He is commonly referred to as " o filho do Homem", or " the son of the Man", with an upper-case when in writing. Normally found in the following argument:

"Well it's easy for him, I mean he's the son of the Man, has the guy coaching him 24/7..."

-He is normally addressed by jiu jitsu fighters in Brazil regardless of belt as "Mestre", or "Master", an honor which few receive.

-The acrobatic move he pulled off in JVT to escape a single-leg takedown is usually referred to as "The Superman", even in Brazil, because after the fight a young Rockson said "Wow dad you flew like Superman!"

-Rickson's closest brother is Royler.

-He is a proponent if "Ginastica Natural", or "Natural Gymnastics", a system of stretching and exercises that imitates animals and can be done without equipment.

good post
 
DonkeyKong: Hi, can you tell me if he has had any surgeries? If so, which ones?
 
No Gracies fight in MMA by themselves. Rolles is trained by Renzo. Ralek is trained by Rorion. Roger doesn't need any training, let's be honest, but he does train with Renzo for MMA.

But that train, remember the Gracie train? That's what it was about.

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I dont think we will be seeing this anymore. And it sucks.

Yeah, my instructor is last or second to last in that train!! I think he was the only non-Gracie in the train?
 
Do you think there will ever be another bjj player like rickson. Will kron be dominate like him
 
Can this thread (or TS) point out a few books if available that cover some of these topics (family stories and what not). Hell if there any documentary DVD's available please post those as well.

Choke is a very famous documentary
Renzo ...I believe has one
Gracie's in action
..are there anymore?
 
Yeah, my instructor is last or second to last in that train!! I think he was the only non-Gracie in the train?

I know Luis Heredia was in the train. There is a photo of it on the wall of Maui Jiu Jitsu. Is he your instructor?
 
Do you think there will ever be another bjj player like rickson. Will kron be dominate like him

Roger has never been submitted in the Black Belt, has only lost on points by minimal margins, is undefeated in his weight category, has 8 mundial black belt titles, and is has an ADCC weight AND absolute title.


I'd say if he keeps this up, he will surpass anyone before him.
 
DonkeyKong: Hi, can you tell me if he has had any surgeries? If so, which ones?

Can't get that. Medical reports are impossible to get and this sort of thing doesn't become hearsay. Im curious as to why you'd ask.
 
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