Crime RFK Jr wants to send people on Anti depressants to do forced labor at Farms

[HomeCheese]

Getting out of bed and doing something is the cure for depression. 100%. I struggled with it a little bit in my late teens/early 20s and the solution was just to get out of bed and do something.

Depression is like addiction, it's not nearly as complicated as addicts and depressed people make it out to be. Stop drinking and go do some yard work. Done.

The rest of us don't have some magical secret. We just get up and get on with it and don't drink other than special occasions. It's not hard at all.

I see, so you were not manic, bipolar schizophrenic or chronically delusional. Just a bit lethargic and feeling down?

You really think because you had a tough stretch in your 20's you understand the spectrum of mental illness?

Pretty laughable that you would try to claim some specialized knowledge here based on this.

 

[Andy Capp]

Two things can be true at once:

SSRIs can be overprescribed
Some people actually need antidepressants

They're two separate things and the truth of the first does not excuse demonizing the second--it makes their problem worse without doing anything to address over-prescribing.

You reduce the problem of overprescribing by offering people better medical care options and treatment (which will usually uncover any misdiagnosis). There's not much of a way around that, IMHO.

You reduce people's reliance on antidepressants the same way.

Slicing and dicing and fucking with the healthcare system when you have no idea what you're doing is the opposite of that.

 

[Andy Capp]

I see, so you were not manic, bipolar schizophrenic or chronically delusional. Just a bit lethargic and feeling down?

You really think because you had a tough stretch in your 20's you understand the spectrum of mental illness?

Pretty laughable that you would try to claim some specialized knowledge here based on this.

People think things like, "Well, I was pretty down for like a whole year after my mom died," and come to the conclusion that's what clinical depression is like. That shit doesn't resolve on its own the next time you find a good lay.

 

[UberHere]

They're two separate things and the truth of the first does not excuse demonizing the second--it makes their problem worse without doing anything to address over-prescribing.

You reduce the problem of overprescribing by offering people better medical care options and treatment (which will usually uncover any misdiagnosis). There's not much of a way around that, IMHO.

You reduce people's reliance on antidepressants the same way.

Slicing and dicing and fucking with the healthcare system when you have no idea what you're doing is the opposite of that.

The problem with healthcare is that it’s not affordable. Insurance and pharmacy have too much control over it and unless somebody has a really good private insurance, they’re not getting what they need. That’s why general practitioners are doing so much psychiatry (and poorly), but it’s not really their fault either. They have to see a patient every 20 minutes and can’t go into a deep psychiatric intake with someone.

I refer people for therapy and neuropsychiatric evaluations all the time that don’t happen due to lack of affordability (insurance coverage). Basically all we can really do is throw medication at most of them.

 

[Osculater]

If they've never weeded or done any yard work by the time they're a teenager, then they're not the issue, you are.

I have weeded some kush but it doesn't help much though

 

[Andy Capp]

The problem with healthcare is that it’s not affordable. Insurance and pharmacy have too much control over it and unless somebody has a really good private insurance, they’re not getting what they need. That’s why general practitioners are doing so much psychiatry (and poorly), but it’s not really their fault either. They have to see a patient every 20 minutes and can’t go into a deep psychiatric intake with someone.

I refer people for therapy and neuropsychiatric evaluations all the time that don’t happen due to lack of affordability (insurance coverage). Basically all we can really do is throw medication at most of them.

Exactly. My insurance covers about 2 visits to a therapist. It's worthless.

Going through what's available from the government is hard to track down, takes forever to get in, and then they're only prepared to deal with acute symptoms and not lifelong issues. When I finally got to see someone several years ago, it was only going to be for six weeks and she was only going to focus on anxiety. I have been dealing with anxiety my whole life. I questioned what good this would do if we didn't address the root causes of the anxiety and pulled out so they could give my slot to someone who would presumably benefit more from it. I regret that now, mind, but I was pretty frustrated by then.

 

[BigSexy444]

Getting out of bed and doing something is the cure for depression. 100%. I struggled with it a little bit in my late teens/early 20s and the solution was just to get out of bed and do something.

Depression is like addiction, it's not nearly as complicated as addicts and depressed people make it out to be. Stop drinking and go do some yard work. Done.

The rest of us don't have some magical secret. We just get up and get on with it and don't drink other than special occasions. It's not hard at all.

Good lord

 

[Rob Battisti]

They're two separate things and the truth of the first does not excuse demonizing the second--it makes their problem worse without doing anything to address over-prescribing.

You reduce the problem of overprescribing by offering people better medical care options and treatment (which will usually uncover any misdiagnosis). There's not much of a way around that, IMHO.

You reduce people's reliance on antidepressants the same way.

Slicing and dicing and fucking with the healthcare system when you have no idea what you're doing is the opposite of that.

We agree.

They are two separate things and they’re both true.

I have no idea why you’re targeting me ITT when we agree.

 

[BowserJr]

RFK Jr. is already taking aim at antidepressants

The new HHS secretary has made baseless claims that the drugs are addictive and cause violent behavior.

www.motherjones.com

What a time to be alive. You take anti depressants and you get set to a concentration camp to do forced labor.
We have reached the Tyson Zone with this administration, nothing they put out that is batshit fucking crazy will even move the needle. I wonder if that was RFK Jr’s idea or his brain worms idea.

You should actually read what RFK said before commenting on it SMH

 

[Andy Capp]

We agree.

They are two separate things and they’re both true.

I have no idea why you’re targeting me ITT when we agree.

I'm questioning your purpose in pointing it out as though one has some influence on the other. Telling people who have been prescribed SSRI's by a competent physician that they're addicts and the drugs are harming them is not made less offensive or more permissible by pointing out that misdiagnoses exist, but that is what you implied whether you intended to or not.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I'm questioning your purpose in pointing it out as though one has some influence on the other. Telling people who have been prescribed SSRI's by a competent physician that they're addicts and the drugs are harming them is not made less offensive or more permissible by pointing out that misdiagnoses exist, but that is what you implied whether you intended to or not.

I’ve not said those things. RFK hasn’t either. That’s my issue.

I’ve said it’s not addictive in the purest sense of the word. I didn’t say SSRI harm people either.

 

[Andy Capp]

You should actually read what RFK said before commenting on it SMH

You mean, like this?

"I know people, including members of my family, who've had a much worse time getting off of SSRIs than they have getting off of heroin," Kennedy said in the hearing.

 

[Andy Capp]

I’ve not said those things. RFK hasn’t either. That’s my issue.

I’ve said it’s not addictive in the purest sense of the word. I didn’t say SSRI harm people either.

Wrong. Please see my post immediately above this.

 

[BowserJr]

I w

You mean, like this?

was referring to the fact that it's not a forced labor thing nor is it a concentration camp

 

[Andy Capp]

I was referring to the fact that it's not a forced labor thing nor is it a concentration camp

Ok. What do you think about a person with zero medical expertise describing SSRIs as worse than heroin?

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Good lord

You're not special. You don't have a special gene that makes your hard times harder than anyone else's.

 

[BowserJr]

Ok. What do you think about a person with zero medical expertise describing SSRIs as worse than heroin?

What dosage of heroine would be my first question.

What's the context of each is my 2nd

 

[Andy Capp]

What dosage of heroine would be my first question.

What's the context of each is my 2nd

lol

 

[RoastBeast]

As a treatment for your depression? Or are you trying to misconstrue what I wrote?

I just responded to the OP subject matter. I didn't even see your post.

 

[Andy Capp]

Good lord

I have that bitch on ignore and I still called it, to wit,

People think things like, "Well, I was pretty down for like a whole year after my mom died," and come to the conclusion that's what clinical depression is like. That shit doesn't resolve on its own the next time you find a good lay.