1. Gonz did you read the review? I clearly stated Reyes were NOT the most protective, but I also state they are far from worst.
2. I also state winning and Reyes were the only gloves worthy of 10s in my experience. Again, failed to read the review. I never bash winnings only in jest when I stated Reyes had better leather.
3. I dont train with every pro out there, so your claim that "None of the pro's" using them is a pretty bold, and inaccurate. If you said none of the pros you knew of train with them, that would have been a little better of a statement.
Even still this statement really bothers me. I train 4-5x a week with my Reyes, am I a pro, no i am not. Is my livelyhood based soley on boxing? No, they arent and I am not a professional boxer nor claim to be one. If I was training for a major fight with $$$s on the line, I would want the most protective glove on the market to protect my hands. But I dont do 3x a day work outs like Mayweather, I dont even go on a daily basis. Fact is Im just some guy in the Airforce that does boxing to train, and spar. Ive logged in rounds with pro fighters here in spokane. They have never once complained about my gloves. I feel they are the most experienced in this aspect.
Juan Manuel Marquez Sparring using a Reyes Glove, I think hes a pro...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIpgJdz_Wzo
4. Doesnt cleto reyes make a 16oz "Sparring" Glove?
Not looking for a battle here Gonzaginator, but in my review I think I fairly access the Reyes glove and its possible downfalls for some. Again in my "Overall" accessment I believe I say Reyes and winning are 2 gloves with 2 different purposes, so again I state the obvious. Downfalls that dont detract from the glove but downfalls in the sense of maximum protection. I'm not encourging people with hand or thumb issues to get these gloves, infact I imply that winning is a better choice if you have these issues.
If you like winnings, so do I. I agree with you they are awesome a perfect 10 on the glove as a matter of fact. I am not reviewing winnings however, I plan to at a later time. If you felt my review was unfair lemme know.
I did read the review, otherwise I wouldn't be able to tell what you wrote or what your opinion is/was. :icon_neut
1) To say that the Reyes are not the most protective gloves is like saying getting shot in the head might not be too good for your health. They are among the least protective gloves out there, I can't come up with a glove that has less and/or softer padding than the Reyes.
2) And I don't agree with you on both points. Reyes does not have better leather, and the Reyes definitely don't deserve 10 out of 10 points. Unless you want to just ignore the fact that they hardly offer any protection. You just can't ignore that, that's one of the key things, that's the point of boxing gloves, they should protect your hands first and foremost.
3) You don't have to train with pro's. Watch all the elite boxers out there, nobody uses Reyes in training. Why would they? Pacman, Floyd, Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Hopkins, the Klitschkos, Haye, Chisora, Canelo, I don't care who, they all use Winning. Floyd mixes it up with Grant/Winning, but that's mainly because he's the face of Grant and he has to use them. If you watch those tapes on youtube that people post of Floyd sparring or hitting the bag without the 24/7 crew around, he usually trains in Winning gloves. Point is, nobody uses Reyes. Not even the mexicans.
4) I'm not sure what glove you refer to. They do have a glove with more padding, I had a pair of those. They have a good amount of padding, maybe 50% more padding than the normal training glove. Those are way better for training and I'm not saying anything bad about those.
Look, if you like them, if you don't have any issues with your hands with those Reyes, they might be perfect for you. But in general I'd say that people would rather have a different glove with more padding that offers more protection. So for the average Joe on this board that wants to take up boxing I don't think these Reyes gloves are a 10/10. However I do think that anybody that tries the Winning gloves and uses them for training will give it a 10. There's just no downside. The fit is better, you just can't argue that. The quality, who knows. I think the Winnings are better, but I have no idea, maybe they're both the same. The protection is way better, that can't be argued. I think in my (two) reviews of the Reyes gloves I have I gave them 8.5/10 but I did point out that they're more for people that are looking for a specific glove (less and softer padding) and not so much for people that want a glove with lots of padding to protect their hands.
But let's agree to disagree. I get what you're saying, they're perfect for you so for you they're a 10/10. I have no problem with that. But it sounded more like you're generally stating that they're 10/10 for everybody out there, when they really are special/rare type of training gloves that a lot of people might not like because of the fit and the padding.
Also @SRCR
I ripped open a pair of Reyes gloves here and posted some pictures. So I know exactly what's inside and what the padding is like. Those were actually the sparring gloves you were referring to with more padding. :wink:
I like the Reyes gloves myself, I'm not saying they're bad or even average. They're really good gloves BUT you just have to add that little "not the best training gloves" out there because people usually want a glove for training that offers good protection. Plus if you spar with them, people will complain eventually. They'll feel your knuckles through the padding if you hit hard and don't just throw soft jabs. If they don't care about that feel free to use them in sparring as well. But again, you don't have any of those issues with Winning gloves. So I can't rank them up there with Winning because with Winnings there's not one negative thing you can say really, except for the price. Everything else is absolutely top notch, from protection, quality, fit, and the fact that they're perfect for everything, whether it's the bag, mitts, sparring, whatever. Reyes are perfect for fights, but definitely not perfect for training (sparring, bag etc.). You were a little vague here and there, sometimes you'd say the Reyes are the best (period) and then you'd say that you can't say if they're better than the Winnings. And then you give them 10/10 even though the fit is not the best and they have very little padding. Anything between 8.5 and 9 would have done the job I think. :wink:
That's just my take.