Retiring means you're no longer available for USADA testing.

[Tuf_guy]

I like how this thread was completely hijacked and it seems like virtually no one noticed that the thread was about Conner to begin with.

 

[dim_]

Yes it happened. WADA testing doesn't really exists. It's a testing protocol, not a testing org. GSP did VADA testing and they folllows the WADA protocol. Stop spewing bullshit if you're uneducated on the subject.

Well vada claim to.

They say they use wada protocol on collection, and wada labs but nobody actually knows what vada do because they don't publish any data whatsoever, no numbers, no details on numbers of tests. What tested for etc.

No transparency at all, which actually goes against wada protocol

Vada are a private enterprise with no transparency and nobody overseeing what they do, and as an anti doing agency simply can't be trusted.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

This thread escalated quickly.

Apologies, I think I started this lol.

 

[Kalmah]

This thread is full of baseless accusations of steroid and PED use, and it's one of the main rules on here yet hardly ever enforced. I wish the mods/admins would make up their minds and decide whether this shit should be allowed or not, because it's such a fine line. Either your allow it or you don't.

• No Fighter Bashing - Criticism is fine, but flaming is not. Please note that an unsubstantiated accusation of steroids and PEDs is fighter bashing. In regards to female fighters, posting inappropriate, sexual or graphic comments is considered trolling and fighter bashing.

 

[ocfightfan]

Well, I guess if there was any tiny piece of evidence to start with, it could work.

Like let's say, if we had a trail of blood running from the staircase into the basement? or if any old person I was seen with ended up dead? You could perhaps start to think something...

A little like when I look at that gut, it's not 100% but it's smoke - and smoke comes with fire.

And that is exactly the point. You don't have any real evidence except he performed well and doesn't look like Johnny Hendricks. That comparison is absurd because Hendricks has a completely different bone structure, has a terrible diet and gets severely out of shape between fights. GSP on the other hand eats clean and stays in great shape all year long.

If you have real verifiable evidence that he doped then bring it forward. Stop playing this game where GSP effectively is guilty until proven innocent and has to prove the unproveable.

 

[rjmbrd]

Has he informed the UFC and usada in writing of his intention to retire from competition?

Dana doesn't seem to think so

Dim, you are eminently useful in USADA testing threads.

Let's get a few things cleared up though:

1) You have no idea if he has informed the UFC and USADA, in writing, that he is retired. He may have sent it last week. We don't know, so its unfair to make an assumption either way.

2) Dana White's job is to promote his brand. He is, in so many words, a bald-face liar. There is no legal requirement for him to announce Zuffa's receipt of retirement notice to the press. You would be absolutely crazy to believe he would make any press statements that have a goal other than saying what benefits his business.


That aside - it does pose an interesting concept. If an athlete routinely performed their own labs to indicate if they would be flagged upon an official test, would it not be possible to utilize a retirement scheme?

For context, I am not suggesting that is what is happening here. It just occurred to me that this is somewhat of a loophole. Would it not make more sense for the athlete to remain in the testing pool for eg 6 months after a retirement notice?

It seems dubious that you can turn off testing like a light switch by taking a year off, then only needing a 4 month on-ramp to get back in.

 

[piepie]

Right, so this sample his team did, assumedly that was done a few days ago... In which case positive then doesn't mean positive now...

And your still ignoring the fact that usada could have sent testers today, they could send testers tonight at the restaurant, they could send them in the morning

So he would refuse to give a sample? That's a two year ban if so....

Or are you saying that he has officially informed both UFC and usada of his retirement? In writing? Already?

The only way he could have avoided being tested yesterday, or today, or tomorrow is if he's already put it in writing?

And it's still easier just to drink lots of water and ignore the doorbell...




What's far more likely is he went to Iceland, didn't update his whereabouts, testers called today in Ireland and be wanst there, and it was odd third strike.

The test of your hypothesis just doesn't fit what we currently know, IE. He hasn't actually officially retired

Retiring on Twitter isn't informing usada offixially

Dimspace i always like reading your stuff regarding this subject, thx. I do have a question to you and others. Is it still possible to use IVs to mask/hide what an athlete has in his system??? i know there is a very heavy penalty on IV use and asumingly they can find traces of plastic from the IV to get you. are there advanced ways to use IVs without getting caught???

 

[Air Lats]

Great to know, thank you very much.

That kind of proves my point, Overeem I think is a great example of this.

What I'm saying is, everyone is claiming "oh, but you have to be clean for 4 months and they you can fight", as if to say that 4 months will change what a lifetime of use could do.

Glad that I now have further knowledge around that.

I think that's almost always true but it can be a bit of a tightrope to walk.

It's a bit problematic ... Sorry to complicate things but if, say someone did not cycle properly or did too much for too long they can seriously mess up their endocrine system and never produce enough endogenous test again. Then, even if they are more likely to get their muscles to hypertrophy, they are really going to be shot due to chronic low test.

I don't know how much is too much. I suspect you have to be on bodybuilder type cycles for a LONG time without enough down time for the HPTA to normalize often enough.

 

[piepie]

They do have great genetics, it's quite obvious asshole. If you knew anything about lifting or steroids you would know that's only a part of the equation. Having great genetics, a great work ethic, and proper diet will get you crazy jacked. Period. Roids will enhance recovery and make mild gains in strength and size depending on what you're on. Fact is TRT is barely a fraction of the levels even gym rats use, it doesn't do what you think it does.

Also reem and vitor didn't get "popped" for any substance dipshit they had elevated levels of test outside the allowable range.


Vitor was on perfectly legal monitored TRT and was tested more than anyone in the UFC for years. The UFC could've gotten the USADA deal done years ago and made sure they didn't allow it, but they didn't care and neither did anybody else.

Nobody gives two shits about the dozens of dudes that were on trt and losing. Why didn't it turn them into super unstoppable hulks? Chael was on 100x the gear nobody gave a shit, andy tested for an actual substance (not just high t levels) hendo was on the same thing when he got KTFO. Then vitor got off trt and put hendo in yet another coma in THE EXACT SAME fashion he did the first time.


Bitches like you cry about cheaters and excuses and roids because you're weak and you can't accomplish anything. Sad sad jealousy just like the little scrawny poon in dodgeball that hates the kids with talent. I could give you 50 grand worth of gear a year and you would still be a worthless little pussy

WOAH, i think you are a pro-fighter you seem emotionally engaged!!! this is the internet dude, trolls trolls. there are no consequences...
BTW ive got no prblem with TRT, also respect the three fighters you named. But doping is an interesting topic nonetheless, peace.

 

[piepie]

Did the VADA testing actually happen in the end?

There was very little media coverage around it actually happening.

There was lots of criticism, because Georges was doing it all himself. Johny's argument was, why am I trusting you (my opponent) with the testing methods - it should be something regulated under the usual standards.

As aforementioned, where was the VADA testing for Condit? Wasn't so receptive to that one.

Show me an article around the passed VADA test for GSP and Hendricks? I can admit when I'm wrong.

he showed pics of his testing results if i remember correctly these were online. its a long time a go, but i think he uploaded proof...

 

[Air Lats]

Great to know, thank you very much.

That kind of proves my point, Overeem I think is a great example of this.

What I'm saying is, everyone is claiming "oh, but you have to be clean for 4 months and they you can fight", as if to say that 4 months will change what a lifetime of use could do.

Glad that I now have further knowledge around that.

Also, I've read that exogenous test use can cause muscle cells to not only hypertrophy but multiply. It doesn't take a scientist to tell us that more muscle cells is a good thing.

 

[killakillakilla]

GSP retired one year before USADA testing took place you moron. And he was the one who was pushing for it to begin with. How can you be so fucking dumb?

lol read up on some history. USDA wasn't around when GSP was Champ. And anyone who follows the sport knew of GSP's retirement plans.

GSP left years before USADA partnered with the UFC, how c


Lol we laugh because he took a break from the sport, then *YEARS* later the UFC partners with USADA, and shertards then somehow come up with " he left because of USADA " which is the dumbest logic I ever heard.

Now what makes it even dumber, is that within a year of UFC adopting OOC testing with WADA standards, he's back in negotiations to return.

Prior to GSP's fight with Condit, GSP asked Condit to do enhanced PED testing through VADA. Condit said that GSP had too close of a relationship with VADA and it made Condit uncomfortable. So instead Condit invited GSP to do enhanced testing through USADA. GSP did not accept.

You guys do know this right?

 

[piepie]

Your thinking of commission testing. Nevada commission generally test in Nevada.

Usada can test wherever the hell they like, including Iceland where conor is currently. (Well they get the national anti doping agency of that country to do it, and yes, Iceland has a wada signatory nad)

thx for refreshing my head, i keep thinking that if you are outside of the USA you have a easier time, you get tested less, the testing is less strict.

I think my thinking is flawed, if what you say is true then it shouldnt matter where you are as long as there is a WADA lab. Sorry i just keep thinking peeps outside of the USA, have a easy time...so my thinking is flawed

 

[FlyingKimurabar]

Right, so this sample his team did, assumedly that was done a few days ago... In which case positive then doesn't mean positive now...

And your still ignoring the fact that usada could have sent testers today, they could send testers tonight at the restaurant, they could send them in the morning

So he would refuse to give a sample? That's a two year ban if so....

Or are you saying that he has officially informed both UFC and usada of his retirement? In writing? Already?

The only way he could have avoided being tested yesterday, or today, or tomorrow is if he's already put it in writing?

And it's still easier just to drink lots of water and ignore the doorbell...




What's far more likely is he went to Iceland, didn't update his whereabouts, testers called today in Ireland and be wanst there, and it was odd third strike.

The test of your hypothesis just doesn't fit what we currently know, IE. He hasn't actually officially retired

Retiring on Twitter isn't informing usada offixially

Well we don't know if he officially sent USADA the letter, but if my theory is correct and he did this to avoid testing then he obviously did. Doesn't seem that hard. He could of sent it before he even sent the tweet. Once he realized he was going to fail his next test he could of notified all the proper authorities.

Your theory on him being in iceland and having a third strike could also be true.

What I do no is literally nothing else makes sense other than him retiring due some USADA fiasco. If you think something else does you mind offering it up?

 

[mikesalami]

Why does nobody else at WW have his physique then? Nobody.

You mean to tell me he has creatine, and Koscheck doesn't?

Because not everybody is the same. Different genetics, different training methods, different diets, etc. etc. I have a friend who is pretty damn huge and does nothing special other than works out pretty hard. Doesn't even take protein powder and doesn't have an incredible diet or anything. Genetics is huge. He's not as cut as GSP, but he could be if he worked at it.

 

[RockyLockridge]

GSP left years before USADA partnered with the UFC, how c


Lol we laugh because he took a break from the sport, then *YEARS* later the UFC partners with USADA, and shertards then somehow come up with " he left because of USADA " which is the dumbest logic I ever heard.

Now what makes it even dumber, is that within a year of UFC adopting OOC testing with WADA standards, he's back in negotiations to return.

Some of these mofos are silly and let their hate for george Blind them from all logic. Is normal.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Also, I've read that exogenous test use can cause muscle cells to not only hypertrophy but multiply. It doesn't take a scientist to tell us that more muscle cells is a good thing.

Is that Mads in your display pic?

 

[dim_]

Well we don't know if he officially sent USADA the letter, but if my theory is correct and he did this to avoid testing then he obviously did. Doesn't seem that hard. He could of sent it before he even sent the tweet. Once he realized he was going to fail his next test he could of notified all the proper authorities.

Your theory on him being in iceland and having a third strike could also be true.

What I do no is literally nothing else makes sense other than him retiring due some USADA fiasco. If you think something else does you mind offering it up?

I think the most likely thing is he hasn't retired and he's just acting like a spoilt child.

If it's usada related it's much more likely to be a whereabouts violation which would explain kavs "sidelined" comment. That said, Dee find conors stuff and I don't think she would mess up filling Iceland, but then we know conor is pretty unreliable.

 

[dim_]

thx for refreshing my head, i keep thinking that if you are outside of the USA you have a easier time, you get tested less, the testing is less strict.

I think my thinking is flawed, if what you say is true then it shouldnt matter where you are as long as there is a WADA lab. Sorry i just keep thinking peeps outside of the USA, have a easy time...so my thinking is flawed

Doesn't even need to be a wada lab. They can fly samples to other countries, just has to be a wada signatory anti doing agency.
We've seen testing all over, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, Thailand even.

 

[fatlipjesus]

Johny has "sucked balls" with wins over:

Robbie Lawler twice, and Matt Brown.

Man, you lose to a amazing striking, whilst being in the best physical condition of your career and that means you were on steroids all along, eh? USADA has made Hendricks shitty?

What a load of shite.

I dont understand. He beat Robbie Lawler twice? Did he just not want the belt anymore so he gave it away?

What a nice guy.