Retiring means you're no longer available for USADA testing.

[The Natural Born Runner]

Thats your explanation for it but you don't know the full truth. None of us do. Theres no way that both Condit and Hendricks would accuse GSP of a conflict of interest with VADA based on your petty explanations. Theres got to be more to it that wasn't made public.

And please learn the true story of GSP/Hendricks Vada Wada shit that went down. GSP wanted VADA. Hendricks said no because he was uncomfortable with the close relationship GSP has with VADA. Keith Kizer, former Director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, stepped in and said they should do testing through a lab in Salt Lake City that used WADA standards. Hendricks automatically accepted Kizer's offer but GSP did not. GSP asked numerous questions about the testing that Kizer didn't want to answer and he annoyed the hell out of Kizer with his questions. Finally GSP accepted Kizer's offer of testing through the lab in Salt Lake City but also said that he and his team were completely unreachable for the next 10 days. That was unacceptable to Kizer so they didn't go through with the WADA testing through Salt Lake City. So instead GSP just did the VADA testing on his own.

I'm done with this argument. If you GSP fans haven't learned the truth by now, you never will. I'm not accusing anyone of using PEDs but its not as black and white as GSP fans like to think.

Hallelujah!

I just followed you because of how fantastic the explanation was.

Bravo!

 

[ThunderStruck]

Thats your explanation for it but you don't know the full truth. None of us do. Theres no way that both Condit and Hendricks would accuse GSP of a conflict of interest with VADA based on your petty explanations. Theres got to be more to it that wasn't made public.

And please learn the true story of GSP/Hendricks Vada Wada shit that went down. GSP wanted VADA. Hendricks said no because he was uncomfortable with the close relationship GSP has with VADA. Keith Kizer, former Director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, stepped in and said they should do testing through a lab in Salt Lake City that used WADA standards. Hendricks automatically accepted Kizer's offer but GSP did not. GSP asked numerous questions about the testing that Kizer didn't want to answer and he annoyed the hell out of Kizer with his questions. Finally GSP accepted Kizer's offer of testing through the lab in Salt Lake City but also said that he and his team were completely unreachable for the next 10 days. That was unacceptable to Kizer so they didn't go through with the WADA testing through Salt Lake City. So instead GSP just did the VADA testing on his own.

I'm done with this argument. If you GSP fans haven't learned the truth by now, you never will.

You are the one who needs to learn the true story. If you read the full e-mail chain between GSP's manager and Kizer you would have noticed that it ended with GSP agreeing to do all the testing. Why didn't they take place is entirely Hendricks fault. Again, someone is talking out of his ass. A simple 10 seconds google search : (bolded the interesting part) :

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Just over 24 hours later, Beaulieu responded, saying that St-Pierre was in for the NSAC testing and would also do additional VADA testing himself:

From: Rodolphe Beaulieu

Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:52 PM

To: Keith Kizer

Cc: Michael Mersch; Firas; Ted

Subject: Re: RE:



Hello all,

We spoke with Georges today and he took his decision so for your information, Georges has decided that if Johny Hendricks does not want to do VADA and prefers your proposed enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Nevada Athletic Commission, Georges will also do it, in addition to VADA.

I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until Aug. 27th but in the meantime, please provide us with all documentation, a detailed invoice and payment instructions necessary to proceed with such enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Commission.



Best regards

Rodolphe
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Source : http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Dimspace doesn't seem to realize that VADA is private and they don't ever post results publicly. GSP had to post the result letters on the internet to show them. Thats what a private company does. But hell apparently thats shady to Mr. dimspace so VADA should just close their doors. I mean HOLY SAINT dimspace said so...

 

[dim_]

Dimspace doesn't seem to realize that VADA is private and they don't ever post results publicly. GSP had to post the result letters on the internet to show them. Thats what a private company does. But hell apparently thats shady to Mr. dimspace so VADA should just close their doors. I mean HOLY SAINT dimspace said so...

I don't mean post actual results of testa

They don't publish numbers of tests conducted
They don't publish his many times and athlete tested or how many tests in total etc
That sort of information is a basic requirement under the wada code (
Unless you are Jamaica who hasn't published data for over a year)

They just say athletes "complete vada"
What does that mean? One test, three tests, ten tests?

Announced? Unannounced? How many, what? Wtf does "completing vada" mean?

They say they do various things but aren't accountable to anyone, and basics fundamentals of effective anti doping involve transparency and accountability. Vada don't have those.

Compared say with usada, who publish test numbers, and then full data yearly, how many blood, how many urine, how many tested for hgh, epo etc.
And in turn they are monitored and audited by wada to ensure compliance.

Vada does neither. And as such, however well intentioned they may be, they don't pass the test.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Be beta and report me then... that's sad as fuck.

You 2 douchebags argued with me for 5 pages, and about 10 people directly messaged me agreeing with my claims.

Only difference is I'm putting it out there for healthy debate.

You're the ones catching feelings...

Maybe I should report you for making fun of mass rape in your display picture? but I'm not so petty.

Go to bed.

We're the ones catching feelings? Youre the one denying the proofs and throwing out accusations. Then you get reported and you cry like a little bitch? You go to bed kid, way past your bedtime.

 

[FlyingKimurabar]

LOL, I expected nobody else but @FlyingKimurabar ,one of the biggest Conor haters on the forums to create a thread like this to imply what he believes.

It's the only logical reason bruh. And I don't hate Conor kiddo.

 

[Pacemaker Joe]

Thats your explanation for it but you don't know the full truth. None of us do. Theres no way that both Condit and Hendricks would accuse GSP of a conflict of interest with VADA based on your petty explanations. Theres got to be more to it that wasn't made public.

And please learn the true story of GSP/Hendricks Vada Wada shit that went down. GSP wanted VADA. Hendricks said no because he was uncomfortable with the close relationship GSP has with VADA. Keith Kizer, former Director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, stepped in and said they should do testing through a lab in Salt Lake City that used WADA standards. Hendricks automatically accepted Kizer's offer but GSP did not. GSP asked numerous questions about the testing that Kizer didn't want to answer and he annoyed the hell out of Kizer with his questions. Finally GSP accepted Kizer's offer of testing through the lab in Salt Lake City but also said that he and his team were completely unreachable for the next 10 days. That was unacceptable to Kizer so they didn't go through with the WADA testing through Salt Lake City. So instead GSP just did the VADA testing on his own.

I'm done with this argument. If you GSP fans haven't learned the truth by now, you never will. I'm not accusing anyone of using PEDs but its not as black and white as GSP fans like to think.

You have to do some pretty creative gymnastics to take GSP's manager's letter to Kizer as a valid reason that they didn't go forward with USADA testing:

From: Rodolphe Beaulieu

Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:52 PM

To: Keith Kizer

Cc: Michael Mersch; Firas; Ted

Subject: Re: RE:



Hello all,

We spoke with Georges today and he took his decision so for your information, Georges has decided that if Johny Hendricks does not want to do VADA and prefers your proposed enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Nevada Athletic Commission, Georges will also do it, in addition to VADA.

I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until Aug. 27th but in the meantime, please provide us with all documentation, a detailed invoice and payment instructions necessary to proceed with such enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Commission.



Best regards

Rodolphe

 

[ThunderStruck]

I don't mean post actuall results

They don't publish numbers of tests conducted
They don't publish his many times and athlete tested or how many tests in total etc
That sort of information is a basic requirement under the wada code (
Unless you are Jamaica who hasn't published data for over a year)

They just say athletes "complete vada"
What does that mean? One test, three tests, ten tests?

They say they do various things but aren't accountable to anyone, and basics fundamentals of effective anti doping involve transparency and accountability. Vada don't have those.

Compared say with usada, ego publish test numbers, and then full data yearly, how many blood, how many urine, how many tested for hgh, epo etc.
And in turn they are monitored and audited by wada to ensure compliance.

Vada does neither. And as such, however well intentioned they may be, they don't pass the test.

They don't say it publicly but the results documents i provided clearly provides all these informations. GSP decided to post them publicly but that is not VADA's duty to do so. Pretty sure thats a part of the contract they signs with the athletes.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

No lie the first thing that came to mind when I saw that pic was this crossfit girl named Annie Thorisdottir. She posted a pic a few weeks ago and she has that HGH gut bad. Does crossfit drug test?

I actually looked in to this a few weeks back and they do apparently test but from what I gather it is in house testing.

 

[ThunderStruck]

We post proofs, haters spew bullshit. Im out of here. Not wasting any more time.

 

[dim_]

They don't say it publicly but the results documents i provided clearly provides all these informations. GSP decided to post them publicly but that is not VADA's duty to do so. Pretty sure thats a part of the contract they signs with the athletes.

That didn't change the fact they don't even publish basic data of how many tests conducted, and they have nobody overseeing them to ensure compliance.

One of the most basic parts of wada protocol is we know how many times a year athlete x was tested at any time. We don't know the results but we do know how many tests. We know how many urine samples usada collected in 2015, same with any other wada signatory.

For all we know these athletes "passing vada" may have been tested once, or twice, nobody knows

They claim to follow wada protocols but on two of the most important requirements of the wada code, transparency and oversight ensure compliance, they fail.

That doesn't mean they aren't well intentioned, but with nobody monitoring them, and no publication of data nobody knows if vada are what they say they are.

 

[fatlipjesus]

Be beta and report me then... that's sad as fuck.

You 2 douchebags argued with me for 5 pages, and about 10 people directly messaged me agreeing with my claims.

Only difference is I'm putting it out there for healthy debate.

You're the ones catching feelings...

Maybe I should report you for making fun of mass rape in your display picture? but I'm not so petty.

Go to bed.

You're a Diaz and Hendricks fan going out of his way to fighter bash like a little hurt child. We get it..... GSP beat your boys and now you're complaining like BJ Penn and his mom.

Hell, Diaz never deserved to be in the same ring as GSP anyway. He should be off fighting in Bellator, the land of free title shots just because you fought unsuccessfully in the UFC.

 

[SuperNerd]

Keep trying losers, maybe you'll take something away from GSP.

 

[killakillakilla]

You are the one who needs to learn the true story. If you read the full e-mail chain between GSP's manager and Kizer you would have noticed that it ended with GSP agreeing to do all the testing. Why didn't they take place is entirely Hendricks fault. Again, someone is talking out of his ass. A simple 10 seconds google search : (bolded the interesting part) :

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just over 24 hours later, Beaulieu responded, saying that St-Pierre was in for the NSAC testing and would also do additional VADA testing himself:

From: Rodolphe Beaulieu

Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 6:52 PM

To: Keith Kizer

Cc: Michael Mersch; Firas; Ted

Subject: Re: RE:



Hello all,

We spoke with Georges today and he took his decision so for your information, Georges has decided that if Johny Hendricks does not want to do VADA and prefers your proposed enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Nevada Athletic Commission, Georges will also do it, in addition to VADA.

I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until Aug. 27th but in the meantime, please provide us with all documentation, a detailed invoice and payment instructions necessary to proceed with such enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Commission.



Best regards

Rodolphe
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Source : http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

LOl you see where it says - "I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until Aug. 27th"

That was the issue and caused Kizer to pull the offer. Here is the true story. Please read this entire article -

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

Its not as black and white as GSP fans claim

 

[Dorkman]

Ready to do it... but it never happened.

Also, eye-test worked for the below:

Belfort
Romero
Overeem
Lombard

Eye-test works, it's not 100%, it's perhaps not even 80%, but it does work to some degree when you know what you're looking for.

Sooo it dosen't work is what you're saying. It not being 100% means it dosen't work. As you've openly admitted that it's likely people will be wrongfully accused since it's not 100% accurate...Staggering.

 

[killakillakilla]

You have to do some pretty creative gymnastics to take GSP's manager's letter to Kizer as a valid reason that they didn't go forward with USADA testing:

read this article from beginning to end -

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

 

[smellycrimplock]

You're a Diaz and Hendricks fan going out of his way to fighter bash like a little hurt child. We get it..... GSP beat your boys and now you're complaining like BJ Penn and his mom.

Hell, Diaz never deserved to be in the same ring as GSP anyway. He should be off fighting in Bellator, the land of free title shots just because you fought unsuccessfully in the UFC.

Exactly. The natural born bellend is just a diaz fan son of a bitch. Nothing new... Same old crap from them.
He will be doubly crushed forever, crushed when gsp beat Nick, then again when he realised Nick would never become his boyfriend.

So now he spends his days here scorned and stupid as fuck.

 

[Captain Herb]

His allegedly HGH gut always intrigued me.

Apparently vivid and realistic dreams/nightmares are a side effect of HGH. Doesn't he claim to have been abducted by aliens from his bed?

 

[Pacemaker Joe]

read this article from beginning to end -

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

I did. Please read the part where he says tell us how to pay for this, we'll do it.

The rest of the emails are simply GSP's team being diligent, and don't indicate either way whether he's clean or not. It would be retarded for GSP's team to agree to a drug testing plan without knowing what it tested for. If he's clean, he wants to ensure that it's at least as thorough as VADA told him their program is. If he's dirty, he wants to make sure whatever he's on isn't on there.

 

[Pacemaker Joe]

LOl you see where it says - "I will be out of the office without access to email or voicemail until Aug. 27th"

That was the issue and caused Kizer to pull the offer. Here is the true story. Please read this entire article -

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

Its not as black and white as GSP fans claim

Yea, and that sentence continues with "but in the meantime, please provide us with all documentation, a detailed invoice and payment instructions necessary to proceed with such enhanced steroid and drug testing by the Commission."

How is that causing problems for Kizer in any way?