Renzo Gracie vs Pedro Sauer (tap theory)

[Kenny from MD]

This isnt even as simple as an issue of practice vs competition. Renzo was fighting at a time when the sport was still young, and he personally had a lot to prove for not only himself, but his family and sports name.

Clearcut example... What is the first thing you remember about Hughs vs Gracie? The straight armbar, and Royce

 

[Tony Manifold]

I tap when I feel like I can't escape with technique. I have been doing this long enough that I can tell when some has me most of the time. If a guy nails the armbar, for example, I will tap before he extends because I know that I am beat. I have toughed out of a lot of subs and I know that I can so why waste training time doing it all the time? I mean I am a pretty strong guy and can slam my way out of triangles and armbars against some pretty big guys but when you play that hard someone gets hurt. Either the guy you are powering out against or you if the guy slams it on hard and fast because he knows you are gonna be a dick to get out of it.

Chokes on the other hand are different, I will fight those for a long time because no one is getting hurt if the person fights it. I know my threshold and will fight to it. Also IMO you can only escape those with technique, at least if they other guy is doing it right.

If I get caught, I tap and then tell my partner to hold the sub without hurting me and let me work a good technical escape. It may take two or three times but I get to work on solid techniqu and my partner gets to work on flowing from one sub to another.

My coach does this alot, in reverse anyway. He will catch you, you tap, he lets it off until you escape then starts all over again.

 

[theferds]

thats why they never grow, if you can't accept defeat and recognized your weakness, how can you improved. whats the point of having a broken limb or getting choked out? what if you get worst tham that? like end up like a vegetables your whole life will you still be macho to tell everyone because you did'nt tap?

honor, pride and being an idiots are not the same.