I recently saw a clip on youtube of Pedro Sauer giving a talk in his gym about tapping (I'd post it here, but I'm at work and youtube is blocked. I'll post it when I get home). He said something along the lines of, the best sound in BJJ is the sound of the tap and how he used to, back in the day when training with Rickson and Royler, tap as soon as he felt they got caught him. That way he learned the techniqe and was able to develop more escapes and counters. I also remember watching a clip of Keith Owen (P. Sauer black belt), saying that a black belt is the guy that has tapped over 10,000 times, or something. And that this was his mentor's theory. Basically, from what I understand, it's a "tap first" or "always tap" theory. There is no pride in getting hurt or being choked out due to not tapping. That's just ignorant. And the way to improve and learn is to "tap first". After watching these clips, I quickly thought of Renzo Gracie's documentary "Legacy". Their, he explains, several times, how tapping is not an option for him. He explains it in a way that makes tapping synonymous to surrender. That it's a matter of pride. He'd rather get his arm broke, or get choked out, rather than tap. He mentions this when speaking about his fight with Sakuraba. He said, after Sakuraba got him in the Kimura, "I remember he broke my arm and I had plenty of time to tap [giggle], but that's never gonna happen here". So it's the exact opposite of the above theory. It's a "never tap" theory. Both are quite interesting. I'm honestly not sure whether they differentiate between training/ rolling in the gym and competition. What are your thoughts and/ or your instructor's thoughts? Have you heard anything from the bigger BJJ names on the subject? Cheers. Update: The fact that I might be comparing two seperate things (training theory and competition mentality) brings me to ask two new questions: 1. Do you take the competition mentality to your training? 2. How does Pedro Sauer's training theory help develop one's technique?