Remind to some: Jones doesn't cut much weight

[Alexander96]

Jon actually posted this on Instagram today. Says he weighs 5 lbs less. Considering that he previously said hes at 220 he might just weigh 215 right now.

 

[johncola]

Yeah, size =/= weight. Jones is the biggest LHW but not the heaviest. He'd also be one of the biggest Heavyweights even if he fought at 230 lbs.

 

[Alexander96]

Yeah, size =/= weight. Jones is the biggest LHW but not the heaviest. He'd also be one of the biggest Heavyweights even if he fought at 230 lbs.

I think someone needs to officially define what the word "size" means around here. Everyone thinks about it as something different.

 

[LongTermLurker]

Two years ago, it was reported that he walks around at about 230. That's well before Jones started gaining weight power lifting. Jones cuts a ton of weight.

So much wrong in such a short post, congrats.

 

[moreorless87]

 

[SlicerDM]

Neglect frame???
And you're bold enough to use the word, retard...
Oh boy

Says the sped who think's a 5'11 230 pound dude is bigger than a 6'5 225 pound dude.

 

[xn7]

jones said himself that he was 229lbs years ago vs rashad or whoever it was.

 

[SlicerDM]

yah, that's a true LHW right there.

Those 6'1 fighters who weigh 230 are actually bigger than Jones didn't yah hear?

 

[Human Bass]

yah, that's a true LHW right there.

Those 6'1 fighters who weigh 230 are actually bigger than Jones didn't yah hear?

See, you let deceiving things deceive you. Jones has optimal weigh distribution, that makes him look bigger than he really is. Of course any LHW is big, most MW are big guys. But Jones isn't bigger than Glover, Griffin, Bonnar, OSP. Torso wise Jones may be a HW, but leg wise he is a MW, so it evens out.

 

[Alexander96]

Says the sped who think's a 5'11 230 pound dude is bigger than a 6'5 225 pound dude.

Using that logic, would you also consider Neil Magny bigger than Hector Lombard?
For me size=lean mass

 

[SlicerDM]

See, you let deceiving things deceive you. Jones has optimal weigh distribution, that makes him look bigger than he really is. Of course any LHW is big, most MW are big guys. But Jones isn't bigger than Glover, Griffin, Bonnar, OSP. Torso wise Jones may be a HW, but leg wise he is a MW, so it evens out.

Is that why Jones ragdolled Glover all over the octagon using his size?


Gtfo, you're an idiot. Glover is no way shape or form bigger than Jones besides weight. And that's only about 5-10 pounds lmfao.


That's weight differentials they use in highschool wrestling dude. Get real.

 

[Human Bass]

Is that why Jones ragdolled Glover all over the octagon using his size?


Gtfo, you're an idiot. Glover is no way shape or form bigger than Jones besides weight. And that's only about 5-10 pounds lmfao.


That's weight differentials they use in highschool wrestling dude. Get real.

Actually Jones struggled a lot to take Glover down. Glover had excellent TDD that fight. Jones won mostly dirty boxing him, what was quite a surprise.

 

[johncola]

I think someone needs to officially define what the word "size" means around here. Everyone thinks about it as something different.

There is no one definition. Dictionaries didn't exist before humans. Dictionaries list words with their commonly used definitions. So, "size" means whatever the person means when they say it. If people started using the word "size" to describe what we know as spaghetti, then "pasta made in solid strings" would become a new definition for the word "size" in the dictionary. Related to this, people often fail to respond to the meaning of someone's argument, instead just responding to the words used to convey that meaning, which results in semantics.

I used it here, and generally use it on these forums, to compare how big or small the fighters are, in all measurable and relevant ways physically. Basically, that's height, reach, weight. Jones would have a height advantage over all but a few HW's, a reach advantage over everyone but Stefan Struve, but would weigh less than many fighters (however a lot of that extra weight is body fat, since the level of athleticism in the HW division is so low).

Lots of people use the word "size" interchangeably with "weight", in MMA. And it's obviously becuase of the existence of weight classes. People make too much of a big deal about the weight classes. They treat Middleweights as an entirely different species to Welterweights. I imagine they have a picture in their mind of fighters from different weight classes, and it resembles the silhouettes from the UFC Undisputed video games, where you choose your weight class.

 

[SlicerDM]

Using that logic, would you also consider Neil Magny bigger than Hector Lombard?
For me size=lean mass

Well yah I do, Magny is the bigger dude considering if he packed the same amount of lean muscle as Lombard he would be 5x the size of Lombard.

Honestly, size isn't all cut and dry like these kids are making it out to be.

Just like Conor McGregor was the bigger man against RDA even though RDA weighs more.

 

[Z28LS1L98]

From time to time (by that, i mean everyday) I see some shertards saying how Jones is a coward HW that magically cuts a lot of weight to fight smaller LHW guys. As if Glover, Gus, DC, Bader were all small guys who cut almost no weight.

The truth is: Jones cut about 15 to 20 pounds. That can only be considered a big, but still doable, cut for featherweight standards. That would be a standard easy cut to most welterweighters. Yeah, Jones was blessed with chicken legs that allow him to be long without weighting much.

But we are talking about weight classes, not heigh/reach classes. OSP, DC or Rumble won't face a heavier opponent against Jones.

Do I believe Jones cal fill his frame to around 235 and be a HW contender? Yeah, but that's another topic.

God pls forgive this man, show him the path

 

[SlicerDM]

Actually Jones struggled a lot to take Glover down. Glover had excellent TDD that fight. Jones won mostly dirty boxing him, what was quite a surprise.

You didn't even watch that fight did you, Glover had great scrambling abilities.

He also bullied Glover against the cage to use his dirty boxing so there's that.

Just like Jones used his size against so called DC the HW to bully him.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

It's not necessary the weight that most people find an issue with. It's his height, reach and overall frame that gives him a huge advantage over other opponents in the striking department and it's not a coincidence the first person he faced with similar build, Gus, gave him problems.

I also think natural weight is a goofy term because it isn't something that stays the same and doesn't change. What exactly constitutes a fighters natural weight? Normally one would say it's the weight he walks around outside or his weight after dropping water weight. Some people will even go as far as to say it's based off the average height in division.

That sounds great and all but your body is always in a state of change. What if you were skinny in your teen years, didn't eat much and you didn't do any physical labor? You probably would be walking around 140 lb. Is this your natural weight? Lol. What if you grew older, your metabolism started to slow down and in this time you were working out and gained muscle? Is your natural weight 180 lbs?

My point is that natural weight is a bull shit term. As long as you can make the weight class, regardless of what you do in the process, it doesn't matter.

In either case, I don't have a problem with Jon Jones being one of the biggest guy in his division. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge such an advantage

 

[SlicerDM]

You didn't even watch that fight did you, Glover had great scrambling abilities.

He also bullied Glover against the cage to use his dirty boxing so there's that.

Just like Jones used his size against so called DC the HW to bully him.

I also won't drop the multiple quotes of fighters like DC who was a HW say shit like "he's way bigger in there" "he's way stronger in there"

 

[Human Bass]

You didn't even watch that fight did you, Glover had great scrambling abilities.

He also bullied Glover against the cage to use his dirty boxing so there's that.

Just like Jones used his size against so called DC the HW to bully him.

Jones also used an arm crank to smartly damage one arm of Glover what helped a lot along the fight. Jones bullying is part of being a great wrestler. DC bullied Frank Mir against the cage, DC made Barnett fly, are you saying that Jones manages to be bigger than those 2 HW?

 

[Human Bass]

It's not necessary the weight that most people find an issue with. It's his height, reach and overall frame that gives him a huge advantage over other opponents in the striking department and it's not a coincidence the first person he faced with similar build, Gus, gave him problems.

I also think natural weight is a goofy term because it isn't something that stays the same and doesn't change. What exactly constitutes a fighters natural weight? Normally one would say it's the weight he walks around outside or his weight after dropping water weight. Some people will even go as far as to say it's based off the average height in division.

That sounds great and all but your body is always in a state of change. What if you were skinny in your teen years, didn't eat much and you didn't do any physical labor? You probably would be walking around 140 lb. Is this your natural weight? Lol. What if you grew older, your metabolism started to slow down and in this time you were working out and gained muscle? Is your natural weight 180 lbs?

My point is that natural weight is a bull shit term. As long as you can make the weight class, regardless of what you do in the process, it doesn't matter.

In either case, I don't have a problem with Jon Jones being one of the biggest guy in his division. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge such an advantage

False. Bonnar had a similar frame, and a super green Jones ragdolled him for 2 rounds before gassing. Gus bodytype certainly helped but what helped the most was Gus being a great fighter.