Reebok payouts for UFC 195!! :|

[0hm]

You're full of shit... you keep stating "loans"... do you even know what a loan is? You're borrowing money with a loan but you want to pull numbers out of your ass about a 5% return?

You could have said a CD, Bonds, Savings account etc which EARN interest. It's clear you have no idea wtf you are talking about.

You're lucky to earn over 1% interest on a Savings Account... 10 year US Treasuries barely scratch over 2%...

You'd have to RISK going into the stock market to get a 5% return.

You have no clue wtf you're talking about.

Federal subsidized and subsidized loans - what the average student will utilize - have a near 5% interest rate. Are you really unaware of what an "interest rate" is, as it pertains to loans? Awkward....

 

[Rygu]

Anyone who thinks 5k is fair for Miocic, must make minimum wage.

 

[justbetter]

Why hasn't every single fighter moved across to Bellator now???? They could make 100k + like Schwaub PER FIGHT, + Bellator pay? It doesnt make sense!!!

 

[Kinku]

Your example is Conor? The most well paid UFC fighter in any weight class? I doubt that he even cares about the Reebok money. I bet that amount is in his couch cushions. But yeah fighters can come from nothing, but that wasn't the point. The point is they all pay for education to get to where they are at and they CONTINUE paying for it.

The gyms themselves should setup "scholarships" for up and coming talent fighters. Of course not all gyms can do that, but AKA, Tristar, and Greg Jackson are example of gyms that have the means to do it.

 

[superpunch]

Why hasn't every single fighter moved across to Bellator now???? They could make 100k + like Schwaub PER FIGHT, + Bellator pay? It doesnt make sense!!!

Haven't you noticed that guys at the end of their contracts are fielding offers from other promotions now and seeing if the UFC will match? I think Overeem is doing this at the moment.

Pre-Reebok that was unheard of. It literally never happened.

 

[TheRealWill]

Thought all champs got $50k?

 

[IamStryker]

1) This entire discussion is about fighter pay. Nate has made more money in his short life than most will ever make, and he can hardly compose a sentence. This sport and the UFC have done well by him, certainly;

Doesn't change that his pay recently has been bad which is still what we are talking about. He isn't being paid "relatively well" right now which is what you asked me.

2) It is your argument, you do the leg-work. (No way it pans out for you; not a single chance);

All you have to do is look at what fighters lose per purse which of course goes up the more money you make. The point isn't that fighters will always pay more than a $150k college education, some will and some won't depending on how long they fight. The point is they are paying for education just like everyone else, which is contrary to what at guy say in this thread on the first page. He was wrong to make such an absurd statement. Here is the link to Myles Jury's break down looking at the low side.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/10/...eight-myles-jury-reebok-expenses-fighter-pay-

And here is another one showing a lower level guy paying 8-12k for one training camp. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...xplains-how-much-it-costs-to-be-a-ufc-fighter

Oh wait, how about a high level fighter? Well here is Rampage talking about a single training camp costing 100k. http://www.fighters.com/06/26/quinton-jackson-a-good-training-camp-will-cost-you-100000/

3) The fighters are well paid, relatively speaking. That is a fact. The ones that reach the top have the ability to retire for life by the age of 35. I am not sure what else there is to say.

No, this is your opinion do not confuse the two. It goes without saying that the champions do pretty well, that's a given or else we would really have a problem. But since the champions are your example maybe you should go try to tell Robbie Lawler that he hasn't paid as much for his training as a college education.

What should the UFC pay a guy like Sterling (a guy with zero solid wins to his name that seems to want to whine)? What about entry level guys?

Maybe Sterling is in the top 5 and should make more than a high-school teacher makes. Mabye someone who gets into the UFC shouldn't make poverty to near poverty wage. Again look at the break down I linked from Myles Jury,

 

[Ozze]

Even though this are only sponsor money, not their total, it's still ver low. Stipe is the best example. 5k for a co-main is embarrassing.

Maybe Reebok could do a mix of number of fights under UFC/WEC + your position on the card. Like fighting as a co main would already guarantee you 15k or 40k for a main.

 

[0hm]

All you have to do is look at what fighters lose per purse which of course goes up the more money you make. The point isn't that fighters will always pay more than a $150k college education, some will and some won't depending on how long they fight. The point is they are paying for education just like everyone else, which is contrary to what at guy say in this thread on the first page. He was wrong to make such an absurd statement. Here is the link to Myles Jury's break down looking at the low side.

No, this is your opinion do not confuse the two. It goes without saying that the champions do pretty well, that's a given or else we would really have a problem. But since the champions are your example maybe you should go try to tell Robbie Lawler that he hasn't paid as much for his training as a college education.

Maybe Sterling is in the top 5 and should make more than a high-school teacher makes. Mabye someone who gets into the UFC shouldn't make poverty to near poverty wage. Again look at the break down I linked from Myles Jury,

Your entire argument misses the premise. You appear to lack an understanding of how loans work (something another poster in here missed, entirely). It is not uncommon - at all - for people to pay well over 100k for a 40k loan (interest). Let's say someone leaves school with upwards of 100k in loans (again, not uncommon). Six months(ish) after they graduate, they will have a 25-30 year payment plan amounting to somewhere near $800 per month. This is essentially a mandate anymore, particularly if you want a solid career after graduating.

As far as Sterling is concerned, that is his problem. He has the potential to make a great deal of money if he wins, performs well, and makes a name for himself. He has the capacity to do that with zero mandated formal education or debt. Clearly camps do not cost anywhere near the figures you presented - on the average - otherwise you wouldn't see amateur and/or lower level pros competing. For example, I fought a couple of times as an amateur and each "camp" cost me no more than $300. I know several low-level pro fighters and their camps cost them no more than $500-700.

 

[invalidor]

Sounds a bit low, how much did Shamrock Meats pay Rocky?

Seriously though, why do you care? Does the low pay make your fantasy about being a ufc star less thrilling?

 

[xtramob]

Too bad they couldn't leave Reebok in 2015.

 

[IamStryker]

Your entire argument misses the premise. You appear to lack an understanding of how loans work (something another poster in here missed, entirely). It is not uncommon - at all - for people to pay well over 100k for a 40k loan (interest). Let's say someone leaves school with upwards of 100k in loans (again, not uncommon). Six months(ish) after they graduate, they will have a 25-30 year payment plan amounting to somewhere near $800 per month. This is essentially a mandate anymore, particularly if you want a solid career after graduating.

You didn't even respond to my point that I said some fighters will pay that much and some won't, that doesn't matter for what that guy said be completely dumb. He said "Not bad for a job that requires no education". I believe I have shown why that statement makes no sense and every fighter doesn't have to pay the max amount from a nice college in order for that to be true. You didn't even comment on the links that I gave you which again show a lot of expenses for the fighters education.

As far as Sterling is concerned, that is his problem.

I see, now you admit that he isn't paid well.

He has the potential to make a great deal of money if he wins, performs well, and makes a name for himself. He has the capacity to do that with zero mandated formal education or debt.

He has performed well and he has had to have lots of education and paid a lot for it just like anyone else getting an education to follow their chosen employment. What you said there is complete bullshit.

Clearly camps do not cost anywhere near the figures you presented - on the average - otherwise you wouldn't see amateur and/or lower level pros competing.

I linked you to evidence supporting my point which you basically ignored. I don't care what your opinion is.

For example, I fought a couple of times as an amateur and each "camp" cost me no more than $300. I know several low-level pro fighters and their camps cost them no more than $500-700.

We are talking about UFC fighters and I have proven my point. Once again this is all back to what that guy said which was total nonsense. Fighters have to get an education to make it and they will pay A LOT for it. He was wrong.

 

[0hm]

You didn't even respond to my point that I said some fighters will pay that much and some won't, that doesn't matter for what that guy said be completely dumb. He said "Not bad for a job that requires no education". I believe I have shown why that statement makes no sense and every fighter doesn't have to pay the max amount from a nice college in order for that to be true. You didn't even comment on the links that I gave you which again show a lot of expenses for the fighters education.

I see, now you admit that he isn't paid well.

He has performed well and he has had to have lots of education and paid a lot for it just like anyone else getting an education to follow their chosen employment. What you said there is complete bullshit.

I linked you to evidence supporting my point which you basically ignored. I don't care what your opinion is.

We are talking about UFC fighters and I have proven my point. Once again this is all back to what that guy said which was total nonsense. Fighters have to get an education to make it and they will pay A LOT for it. He was wrong.

1) You have not shown any serious flaw in that reasoning, at all. The links aren't worth delving into as they are anecdotal and I know more real-life examples than the three you shared in which people pay next to nothing for camps; the truth is likely somewhere between our shared realities and neither of us have data available to really make our point, unfortunately;

2) Sterling is paid well, considering his utter lack of accomplishment in the sport, lack of name-recognition, and the like. He has the ability to make over 100k a year without a single solid win on his record. That is an absolutely terrific opportunity for him and it is up to him to bring that money in;

3) Stop conflating formal education with martial arts education. As a life-long martial arts student and a person with a graduate and secondary degree, there is absolutely no real-world overlap between the two. The only thing they have in common is that information is being relayed from one person to another. That is it. One costs next to nothing while the other is a fortune. I have trained at gyms that cost 20-30 dollars a month and some that cost $100+, while my initial BS degree cost me 40k in loans at a near 7% interest rate. You honestly just seem confused about the involved numbers here;

4) Fighters have an "education" that has a negligible cost, until you start to include things like managers, travel, and the like. Most fighters train out of local gyms that cost next to nothing for the grand majority of their careers. Like I said before, one of the best gyms in the entire world - American Top Team - costs only $300 a month. A fighter could train there, fight three-four times a year, and make it to the big-show and subsequently compete for next to nothing.

 

[FreCan]

Anyone else get suspicious when they see the same members trying to undervalue a fighters worth while defending a company. I mean, I understand the 'screw you, got mine' mentality, but why are these same members then defending a company for basically screwing over their fighters.

3) Stop conflating formal education with martial arts education. As a life-long martial arts student and a person with a graduate and secondary degree, there is absolutely no real-world overlap between the two. The only thing they have in common is that information is being relayed from one person to another. That is it. One costs next to nothing while the other is a fortune. I have trained at gyms that cost 20-30 dollars a month and some that cost $100+, while my initial BS degree cost me 40k in loans at a near 7% interest rate. You honestly just seem confused about the involved numbers here;

4) Fighters have an "education" that has a negligible cost, until you start to include things like managers, travel, and the like. Most fighters train out of local gyms that cost next to nothing for the grand majority of their careers. Like I said before, one of the best gyms in the entire world - American Top Team - costs only $300 a month. A fighter could train there, fight three-four times a year, and make it to the big-show and subsequently compete for next to nothing.

Higher education in Europe doesn't cost a fortune, it's still education. We all know what you're trying to do here, but you should have better arguments when defending a companys decision to screw over its fighters.

 

[Rockapotomuss]

If the sponsorship pay is bad, then Bellator should get more fighters. That does not seem to be happening.

 

[3lite]

Dustin Poirier: $15,000
def. Joseph Duffy: $2,500

Offspring numbers.

 

[IamStryker]

1) You have not shown any serious flaw in that reasoning, at all. The links aren't worth delving into as they are anecdotal and I know more real-life examples than the three you shared in which people pay next to nothing for camps; the truth is likely somewhere between our shared realities and neither of us have data available to really make our point, unfortunately;

I have linked real evidence, you have nothing besides your opinion.

2) Sterling is paid well, considering his utter lack of accomplishment in the sport,

This is factually wrong. Top 5 is a big accomplishment.

lack of name-recognition, and the like. He has the ability to make over 100k a year without a single solid win on his record. That is an absolutely terrific opportunity for him and it is up to him to bring that money in;

Apparently you didn't even read the break down that I gave you of what fighters pay from their purse or you just completely ignore evidence because you don't want to believe it. He wouldn't pocket close to 100k.

3) Stop conflating formal education with martial arts education. As a life-long martial arts student and a person with a graduate and secondary degree, there is absolutely no real-world overlap between the two. The only thing they have in common is that information is being relayed from one person to another. That is it. One costs next to nothing while the other is a fortune.

I don't care who you claim to be or what you have claim to have done. What you are saying in relation to what that guy said in this thread is total nonsense. Education is education whether it is formal or not. "paying next to nothing" is a complete joke. Again you completely ignore the facts that I linked to you. UFC fighters do NOT pay next to nothing. You are straight up lying.

I have trained at gyms that cost 20-30 dollars a month and some that cost $100+, while my initial BS degree cost me 40k in loans at a near 7% interest rate. You honestly just seem confused about the involved numbers here;

Are you a UFC fighter? Oh wait you are not so what you wrote their means absolutely nothing. You completely ignore the many costs a UFC fighter has that you never did.

4) Fighters have an "education" that has a negligible cost, until you start to include things like managers, travel, and the like. Most fighters train out of local gyms that cost next to nothing for the grand majority of their careers.

Oh until you start adding in what I have been saying this entire time? What a shocker. Most fighters do what now? Link evidence or you are full of shit.

Like I said before, one of the best gyms in the entire world - American Top Team - costs only $300 a month. A fighter could train there, fight three-four times a year, and make it to the big-show and subsequently compete for next to nothing.

You apparently lack the ability to read and must also be a UFC shill. I have proven that guy wrong and you as well by default. No point in continuing, goodbye.

 

[KeepItRealist]

If the sponsorship pay is bad, then Bellator should get more fighters. That does not seem to be happening.

Bellator doesn't make anything close to $600 million in revenue or they would.

And they have gotten at least one top 10 fighter in the world despite this as a direct result of the deal, Josh Thomson. And possibly more to follow. UFC still has most under contract from before the deal was signed.

 

[Grim Sleeper]

The answer is zero. Zero dollars. For the record.

Wearing a uniform is required of the job. You don't get extra money to wear your uniform, not as a postal worker, not as a UPS worker, not as a McDonald's burger flipper. It is simply one facet of the job. The same with being a UFC fighter. They have uniforms now. It's part of the job. You get paid to fight. It's pretty gracious they pay them for something that pretty much no other job pays for, which is to rep the company with a uniform.

Normal jobs often give u a laundry allowance.

OH WAIT UFC TAKES BACK YOUR UNIFORM AND SELLS IT UNWASHED ONLINE TO PERVERTS!

Fucken cheap cunts.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Haven't you noticed that guys at the end of their contracts are fielding offers from other promotions now and seeing if the UFC will match? I think Overeem is doing this at the moment.

Pre-Reebok that was unheard of. It literally never happened.

Literally...except the prominent example of Giblert, who did it well before the Reebok deal.