"Redpill Culture: The Worst Thing to Happen to Young Men in the Last 15 Years"

[Gotosleepho]

It's an inevitable reaction to women having the upper hand in relational dynamics for a while. Red pill has some good points but the misogyny part obviously goes too far.

 

[Losfer Words]

Redpill, beta cuck....

We played smear the queer and called each other felcher.

 

[matheuss92]

Social Media has diluted the Internal Locus of Control. Because you can find someone with same problems as you everywhere online you jump into Echo Chambers where you both have the same perspective on these problems. You can only change your perspective if you meet someone who has a different one. So 2 people meet and think its hopeless and its all about things out of their control. The internet in general, because its safe from "real" human reaction allows people to rant and rant and never actually change anything and thus the result never changes.

Young people usually struggle with this, but because of social media its magnified. Many Zoomers, but some Millennials see society has a horrible place that they can barely live in if social media is any indication. Its reeks of neuroticism which is a characteristic of immaturity. Both the men and women suffer from it, usually equally from my POV.

In terms of the specifics of The Red Pill, it has some of the facts behind it: Declining birthrate and marriage, rise of divorce rates, hypogamy. Its all largely true, but also exaggerated and weaponized in these echo chambers. Live your own individual life with real human interaction (which is in reality the crust of the problem). Personal improvement is NEVER a bad thing, so the Red Pill seemed to get that right.

And from my perspective who interacts with a lot young people (women and men in their 20s). Both genders are equally guilty of weaponizing certain facts of the other gender and generalizing the other gender because of their own individual problems. The women are just as bad as the men at blaming their own individual problems on the other gender. I blame social media for it, everything problem has a because behind it, there's always an excuse.

English is not my mother language so Im not even capable of arguing the specifics about this subject. I am 100% aware I barely scratched the surface of the cause, just tried to give my perspective on the superficial matter. (And focusing on the male aspects of it because, well, thats what I lived).

Hardest part for me tho is getting a sense of understandment of the newer generation. You said you get in touch with young people and you may be able to detect and understand some behavior patterns from them. I dont get in touch with them that often and everytime I hear what is normal behavior nowadays I get baffled, to the point I wouldnt be able to express myself not even in french. So I am in no position AT ALL to point who the hell is guilty or not, what even is the guilty part we are talking about.

The thing I can say and 99% agree with you is it's a widespread social media + echo chambers problem. I would even add a celibrity driven lifestyle problem. I hate the fact young people look up to celebrities who have barely anything positive to contribute to their growth.

 

[Andy Capp]

English is not my mother language so Im not even capable of arguing the specifics about this subject. I am 100% aware I barely scratched the surface of the cause, just tried to give my perspective on the superficial matter. (And focusing on the male aspects of it because, well, thats what I lived).

Hardest part for me tho is getting a sense of understandment of the newer generation. You said you get in touch with young people and you may be able to detect and understand some behavior patterns from them. I dont get in touch with them that often and everytime I hear what is normal behavior nowadays I get baffled, to the point I wouldnt be able to express myself not even in french. So I am in no position AT ALL to point who the hell is guilty or not, what even is the guilty part we are talking about.

The thing I can say and 99% agree with you is it's a widespread social media + echo chambers problem. I would even add a celibrity driven lifestyle problem. I hate the fact young people look up to celebrities who have barely anything positive to contribute to their growth.

I have always found celebrity worship to be weird and a little sad. It has just never made sense to me to unreservedly adore people you've never even met just because they're on some TV show or something. But then, I've also never understood generalizing by denigrating women and accusing them all of being money grubbing and hateful toward men, so go figure.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Im gonna go even further. I do think you are 3 steps ahead of the main reason. Dont even have to think about marriage or adult life and I will use my life (Even if 1 person cant be statistically valid, I will also use YOUR argument about PUA life style).

12-13 year old me in love with a girl from my school. Not only she didnt like me and refused my invite to go out, she liked a guy I fucking hated. My devastation (at the time I tought I was) led me to REALLY want to be able to score some chicks. I wasnt alone tho, most of my friends were in the same ship, and we all decided to look for ways out of the situation. Guess what? We even found this PUA stuff both online and from books. Some basic shit that we had never tought before: "Take care of you hair in order not to look a fucking psycho", "Even tho you can't feel your smell, puberty hits hard on this, so take care", "Dont talk about that movie scene of the guy getting decapitated because girls find it gross". I mean, it was all basic shit, but the collective of the tips did actually help me understand how to be less of a weirdo. Best part is, there WAS some ways to "fix" my problems, but they all had 2 main beliefs behind it:

1- Some of the reasons the girl I liked didnt like me might be consequences of might choices.
2- It wasnt static. It wasnt destiny. I could, starting from that moment, make different sets of choices that would get me some different results.

Now lets skip time to the present. A guy got rejected and he goes online in order to understand why it happened. He goes into some discord about people complaining about it as well.

1- He reads its not entirely up to him changing it, and the reason may vary to the point of being bizarre. (A dude saying its the consequence of the french revolution or whatever the fuck). But main logic is: removing responsability of his choice, its HER FAULT, not yours.

2- Its statical, there is NOTHING you can do, so dont even try to change yourself. You either force her to accept "who you are" (and remeber, a normal 12 yo weirdo) or you punish her if she doesnt. (You mistreat her, as it she is the one to blame).

And thats where we are right now. Dudes got convinced there is NOTHING they can do and they have to "fight back" againt some disease or the system (they even call it woke mind virus to legitimize their feeling of being something external from their choice).

How the fuck you change that? I have no idea, and thank god Im not that young anymore. The whole redpill community survives convincing men there is nothing they can do. But they have to do since they are young in order not to question about those assumptions. The whole situation is a scam to celebrate lazy personality. Sorry if it felt long or prolix.

Awesome post.

It is interesting to me though, to look at the difference between actual self-help stuff in the mainstream. I mean proper books from non-lunatics etc.

For men, the message is essentially "nobody is coming to help you, you need to take charge of your own life and change yourself for the better and here's how you could approach it."

For women, the message is essentially "there's nothing you need to change, you are perfect as you are, society can change for you".

Now the latter has two problems - firstly, there are PLENTY of toxic women out there who DO need to change and would find themselves much happier if they did change certain aspects about their personalities. So to tell ALL women this, is not a great idea.

Secondly, the latter is not too dissimilar from the shite the incel boys are reading online! Slightly different vibe and not violent of course, but same message - you aren't the problem, responsibility lies elsewhere.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

We don't let the kids call each other bundles of wood anymore so they had to come up with other generic insults like cuck and simp.

Dude I have been saying this for months

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

I know. I used to be more involved in the PUA community before it lost it's shit and my brother used to follow some MGTOW stuff before he stopped for the same reasons.

It's a bunch of young men who are desperate to blame someone else for why they're not getting the life they were promised by decades of tv sitcoms...if you don't mind the hyperbole. Go to work, work hard, you're entitled to a wife way too attractive for you who will ignore your idiocy week in and week out and always forgive you. They're as entitled as the women they criticize.

In real life, Marge divorces Homer. King of Queens ends with the fat dude losing his wife.

There was an interesting study a few years ago that looked to see if rich men had hotter wives. The reality? Rich men had wives that matched their own attractiveness. Even the narrative that women are just marrying gigachads isn't realistic. That chick who is a 5 is marrying a dude who is also a 5. A rich 5 will do better than a poor 5. But he's still marrying in the 4-6 attractive range.

Can you quote that study I’m interested in how it was conducted

It not no biggie

 

[shunyata]

Dude I have been saying this for months

Years on my end.

In the 90s everything was gay and retarded.

Now? Same shit, different year.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

Years on my end.

In the 90s everything was gay and retarded.

Now? Same shit, different year.

Maybe I wasn’t as fast but yeah emasculation is the goal and to me it’s weird that people say it as an insult I guess it’s just getting older, but someone could call me a eff ay gee, a pussy , or a cuck and I’d laugh.

The fact it is so biting to people is telling

 

[shunyata]

Maybe I wasn’t as fast but yeah emasculation is the goal and to me it’s weird that people say it as an insult I guess it’s just getting older, but someone could call me a eff ay gee, a pussy , or a cuck and I’d laugh.

The fact it is so biting to people is telling

Context matters too, if a buddy is asking if you're on your period and need some cranberry juice and you retort that you're just irritable and tired from fucking his mother all week that hits different than some random at the bar calling you girls names.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

Context matters too, if a buddy is asking if you're on your period and need some cranberry juice and you retort that you're just irritable and tired from fucking his mother all week that hits different than some random at the bar calling you girls names.

For sure, I’ve used the same remarks in This site about being on a period.

But on here a lot of people fear strangers opinions

 

[Whippy McGee]

Young men are embracing being strong and not weak? Sounds like a positive course correction and the natural cycle. I've been noticing it since Gen Z hit Middle School.

In Gen X we called each other "s" and "retards". If you did something weak... you were a ""... stupid... "retard". It never mean that anyone being called that was gay or actually retarded. I think this is the weaker elements of the older generations being little s about the whole thing. Let these young guys work it out and knock each other around a bit. Otherwise they will be weak cuck simps... like so many of the Millennials.

We just had the Woke era of Leftist men create hard times.... the cycle continues.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

Young men are embracing being strong and not weak? Sounds like a positive course correction and the natural cycle. I've been noticing it since Gen Z hit Middle School.

In Gen X we called each other "s" and "retards". If you did something weak... you were a ""... stupid... "retard". It never mean that anyone being called that was gay or actually retarded. I think this is the weaker elements of the older generations being little s about the whole thing. Let these young guys work it out and knock each other around a bit. Otherwise they will be weak cuck simps... like so many of the Millennials.

We just had the Woke era of Leftist men create hard times.... the cycle continues.

That’s the funny part being vulnerable is being strong and yet if you present your vulnerability as humility you are looked down on in some male circles , nothing to do with generations just understanding human behavior more and adapting.

You bitches are scared because you might be wrong about something

 

[Whippy McGee]

That’s the funny part being vulnerable is being strong and yet if you present your vulnerability as humility you are looked down on in some male circles , nothing to do with generations just understanding human behavior more and adapting.

You bitches are scared because you might be wrong about something

I'm just having fun with it. Each Generation has good and bad sets of men. I think we all know that. I have been impressed with these Gen Z young men. They remind me a lot of Gen X.

But, I do think we did a huge disservice as men by backing away during the Woke Era when the Millennials grew up. A whole lot of men went, fuck it... let them learn how bad this gets on their own. It appears that lesson has been learned. No one likes Woke, except the cucks, simps, s, and retards.

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

I'm just having fun with it. Each Generation has good and bad sets of men. I think we all know that. I have been impressed with these Gen Z young men. They remind me a lot of Gen X.

But, I do think we did a huge disservice as men by backing away during the Woke Era when the Millennials grew up. A whole lot of men went, fuck it... let them learn how bad this gets on their own. It appears that lesson has been learned. No one likes Woke, except the cucks, simps, s, and retards.

Interesting and sad way of thinking, of course each generation has good and bad , but why yearn for or admire the bad of the old, which is what gen x seems to want. They are the screaming middle children of the generations. , who say they don’t care but complain the loudest.

 

[Koya]

80 of divorced are initiated by women. It's not an opinion it's a fact

 

[Koya]

Feminism broke the biologic structure that allowed our species to flourish. All this redpill shit is a result and reaction to that.

Proof? Look at the demographics that do not have a birth decline. These are cultures that still value the patriarchal model of family. Even within Western Civilization the ones still flourishing are the traditional conservative and often religious groups.

God is going to wipe us out. Again. Because weak men allowed this bitches to get way out of line. BTW, just celebrated my 27th wedding anniversary.

Even on sherdog it's too politically incorrect to get likes. It's truly astonishing how this simple truth can't be acknowledged.13th wedding anniversary here.

 

[Striderxdj]

A marriage is a contract that either party can break if they so choose. If either party can break the contract then both parties have an incentive to convince the other party to stay in the contract.

70% of divorces are initiated by women, up to 90% if college educated. Not certain what incentives you can provide to convince someone who wants to leave their marriage to stick around that beats potentially getting a house, the kids, half their spouses assets, alimony, child support, etc, or how that won't simply Invoke the "it's too late" or "why couldn't you have done this before" rebuttal.

Not even touching on the fact that in no-fault states, a spouse can even be unfaithful and there is 0 recourse or consequence if a divorce follows.

Where the redpill people have constantly fucked this up is that they've convinced young men that only women benefit from being able to terminate marriages.

I think overall it is true, though. Men are the primary breadwinners (generally speaking) and they stand to lose more if a marriage ends. If there are kids, the mother is far more likely to get custody by default, and by-proxy: the house.
Obviously the man can come out ahead when the circumstances are reversed, but there is also a lot of stigma to guys using the same tactics on their former spouses in a reversed situation.

A common phrase I've heard is "women will sacrifice their marriage for their own happiness, men will sacrifice their happiness for a marriage" - I think there is truth to this as I experienced it firsthand.

My first ex wife cheated and as we were both young and dumb (and she appeared super remorseful) I took her back, only to have it happen again and be emotional manipulated into thinking I deserved it and she was better than me, when we divorced she had a new guy moved into our house 2 weeks after I moved out.

My second ex-W gaslit me into believing I was financially irresponsible because she made more money, always expected me to do more and more to make her happy but it was like filling a cup, then being told to fill bucket, then a tub, then a pool. I killed myself to make her happy but it wasn't good enough.

Been divorced 5 years, make almost 6 figures, I have an 810 credit score, single parent to a teenage son who is an honor roll student and get 0 support from his mother.

Even worse, they've convinced young men that they have no obligation to convince their wives to stay in the marriage - to do the things that would make the marriage more attractive than the divorce. Instead they argue that women are arbitrarily and greedily terminating marriages solely for financial gain. It's idiotic.

If a wife is wanting to end a marriage (regardless of their reason), what can the guy possibly offer that is more enticing than all of the benefits they could get if they leave + freedom from the current circumstances (if they are at a point they are wanting to leave)? Could they regret it afterwards? Sure.

I wouldn't say it's specifically done with greed as a motivation, but it is often done arbitrarily in the larger scheme of things, or simply because "the grass is greener". Being able to walk away for arbitrary (or even selfish) reasons absolutely does happen, and there are a multitude of benefits, and little consequences.

Saying that the man does manage to convince their spouse to stay, how is there not going to be irreparable damage to the relationship dynamic with an aire of resentment from the woman because it took threatening to leave to get what they wanted? or the man feeling like a bit of a hostage that has to negotiate for himself to prevent their wife from just expecting more compromise from them (while feeling no obligation to reciprocate) and or threatening to leave again the next time they are unhappy or don't get what they want?

As I always say "Young men today want traditional values from women without having to abide by the male version of those traditional values."

This is a give and take, either side expecting that traditional role without abiding by the same obligation shouldn't expect it, I dont disagree with this at all.

When a woman is attractive enough, men will look past obvious red flags as well. When the redpill community paints these things as women's failings, when they're equally applicable to both sexes, they are full of shit.

I think this is true to an extent, I will say women are a lot better at hiding some egregious red flags regarding long term relationship expectations and pulling the "chameleon"' behavior to match the partner they are interested in, but that changes over time and they revert to their "real" self and it may not come out til you are married to them.

The sort of red flags women ignore that I am referring to are ones that are obvious up front to anyone thinking rationally (wow the super attractive wealthy guy with unlimited options played me? #shockedpikachu)

When a guy chases a woman because she attractive and disregards all of the elements of her character, that same dude will later jump on the redpill community and blame women because he wasn't mature enough to understand her before he let his dick fall in love with her.

He'll blame her then go out and chase the same type of chick all over again. Simps are always simps and making excuses for their lack of foresight is silly.

I dont disagree with the overall sentiment, I just think that women are (generally) better at hiding the sort of things that are red flags for long term relationship success, and men generally will accept/adapt to the changing dynamic rather than walking away, especially if they married them. Obviously if you marry the hot club girl/town bicycle you only have yourself to blame if they revert back to their old ways, or never stopped them.

So maybe the redpill community should stop pretending that women are the problem and get back to providing actual growth advice instead of this male victimhood culture they've adopted.

Men want relationship free sex. They've stopped thinking about anything except how quickly they get laid. They don't want to run traditional households but they want traditional wives (They should go to work, don't cheat, handle all of the financial responsibilities, give her the money she needs to run the household, pay to take care of her appearance, etc.). They've gotten exactly what they claimed to want and now they're blaming women for the natural consequences of it.

I agree with a lot of this too. Like I said I think on the base surface level there is some good advice and (in my experience) a lot of the things I mentioned are true from what I have seen not just myself but also in friends relationships.

 

[Striderxdj]

It's telling that "treat other people better" doesn't make the list. And you're entitled to your opinion on those last three but to call them facts or "reality" is LOL-worthy.

I will freely admit there is a ton of negativity in the content, for me treating people better isn't something I need to learn from content , it should be a given to treat people with a high level of respect until they give you a reason not to. As I mentioned in the first post, the disrespect shown to single mothers/ women over 30 in that sphere is awful and nonsensical, imo. My last gf was a single mother and we dated for 3 years, she was a great woman and I have nothing negative to say about her at all.

I suggest you give this comment by Pan a lot of thought,

I've not posted much here lately but we have generally agreed on most political discussions in the past. I think anyone who specifically avoids admitting their own personal accountability will fail to grow as a person, but I think if you have experienced and seen certain things enough times it's hard to say there isn't truth to them.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Interesting and sad way of thinking, of course each generation has good and bad , but why yearn for or admire the bad of the old, which is what gen x seems to want. They are the screaming middle children of the generations. , who say they don’t care but complain the loudest.

You make some valid points about Gen X. I think we're a bit miffed that we are never really going to be the power players. So we are that middle finger. The Boomers had enormous numbers and with those numbers... power. Those fuckers wouldn't leave political office and often wouldn't retire. They just died in office and at work. I hope we put a cap on that shit and my generation doesn't do the same. I actually think the Millennials will be better than the Boomers... but they have so many similarities that it's concerning. Gen Z... those kids are on the Gen X wavelength. Such a strange world.