Media Redditor asks Paddy about his friendship with Molly

[HaulParris]

Pimblett joining the ranks of Chimaev, Costa, etc. in doing incessant amounts of social media / interviews / generating b.s. "content" without fighting more than once a year. I realize he had an injury (and I sincerely wish him a full and speedy recovery) - my hope is that when he does come back, that he fights often and against meaningful competition (and if not, then he gets out of the public eye).

 

[RonDante]

I do know lesbians who occasionally bang dudes, however I don’t think their sex life is pertinent

Lesbians always end up with men cause they can’t decide who pays for the date

 

[Slapjit]

That was solid journalism tbh. Asked a straight question, no traps, no instigating, just something fans around the world needed to know.

 

[Shoguns Prodigy**]

More like westoid haven.

Just filled with morons whether liberal or conservative. Mouth breathers who dont think for themselves. And yeah they ban over anything, any disagreement on any respective section is not tolerated. (which I guess I have mild respect for ha)

A pod person hive mind lol

That’s the best way to describe it it’s a hive. Everyone has to have the same opinion. Different thought and narrative are not allowed.

 

[TaxCutz]

Typical base-level intellect and general worthlessness.

 

[Carrotman23]

Yeah kinda same experience, I know a lot of 100% heterosexual guys that indulge in passive sodomy but only like once a week, well, whenever their master lets them.

Ya'll really be gettin down in France lmao .

That's how it was throughout most of history .
*Fucks dudes all the time
"Homosexuality, what's that?"

There are so many dudes engaging in gay stuff on the low and have an "I'm totally straight" identity still. A lot of that in the Arab world, for safety reasons but also just because that's how they choose to view themselves quite often.

A lot of fools chasing various fems on the low and telling themselves it aint gay at all too ha .

I was talking to this one trans sex worker and she told me it's usually the masculine tough guys especially cops who wanna get rammed ha. Nothing wrong with that, but it's funny to me .

 

[Phisher]

"I'm very proud of my sense of humor"

Not a Paddy fan, but he handled this audience full of troglodytes very well.

 

[Sasha]

That's how it was throughout most of history .
*Fucks dudes all the time
"Homosexuality, what's that?"

I'm extremely interested in antiquity, and the more I read primary sources, the more I realize that homosexuality, or more precisely pederasty, in ancient Greece, wasn't merely an "inclination" or an "orientation", it was a fucking institution lmao. From Plato, to Herodotus, Thucydides, or even later, Plutarch, there's not one who's not mentioning men shagging men, often describing stronger bonds and intense emotional involvement than when talking about heterosexual relationships.

It didn't strike me at first in mythology, for example, with Zeus being a known womanizer, going as far as turning Io into a cow and himself into a bull to keep fucking her, without Hera knowing ; Zeus can be such a comical figure in this regard, so many stories like that !
I just started reading Homer, it may give me a bit more insight on this matter lol.

But yeah, we have a VERY long story of totally straight and manly dudes enjoying other men lol.

Edit : and yeah, religion is obviously a big factor, when you risk that :

The Punishment of Sodomy

Since sodomy is a greater crime than adultery and its evils are worse, the punishment for sodomy is also more severe than that of adultery according to the Islamic law. Islam prescribes capital punishment for the active as well as the passive partner in the crime. If both are major and sane, both of them have to be killed. The active partner is beheaded with the sword or killed by stoning or burnt alive or thrown from a height with the hands and the legs tied. These are the ways prescribed for punishing the criminal, but it is at the discretion of the Judge to determine the method. Similarly, the method adopted for the death of the passive partner is also determined by the Qazi

 

[Sasha]

Ya'll really be gettin down in France lmao .

That's how it was throughout most of history .
*Fucks dudes all the time
"Homosexuality, what's that?"

There are so many dudes engaging in gay stuff on the low and have an "I'm totally straight" identity still. A lot of that in the Arab world, for safety reasons but also just because that's how they choose to view themselves quite often.

A lot of fools chasing various fems on the low and telling themselves it aint gay at all too ha .

I was talking to this one trans sex worker and she told me it's usually the masculine tough guys especially cops who wanna get rammed ha. Nothing wrong with that, but it's funny to me .

One of the most famous examples :

The rage that follows from Patroclus' death becomes the prime motivation for Achilles to return to the battlefield. He returns to battle with the sole aim of avenging Patroclus' death by killing Hector, despite a warning that doing so would cost him his life. After defeating Hector, Achilles drags his corpse by the heels behind his chariot.

Achilles' strongest interpersonal bond is with Patroclus. As Gregory Nagy points out:

For Achilles [...] in his own ascending scale of affection as dramatized by the entire composition of the Iliad, the highest place must belong to Patroklos [...] In fact Patroklos is for Achilles the πολὺ φίλτατος [...] ἑταῖρος — the 'hetaîros who is the most phílos by far' (XVII 411, 655).

Hetaîros meant "companion" or "comrade"; in Homer it is usually used of soldiers under the same commander. While its feminine form (hetaîra) would be used for courtesans, a hetaîros was still a form of soldier in Hellenistic and Byzantine times. In ancient texts, philos (often translated "most beloved") denoted a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers.

Achilles' attachment to Patroclus is an archetypal male bond that occurs elsewhere in Greek culture: the mythical Damon and Pythias, the legendary Orestes and Pylades, and the historical Harmodius and Aristogeiton are pairs of comrades who gladly face danger and death for and beside each other.

The French version of that article also mentions that, if Homer didn't explicitly depict their relationship as homosexual, it was written at a time and place ( seemingly circa 1000 BC in Ionia) where homosexuality was common, but hadn't become that widespread pederasty yet ; in later texts no doubt is left about the nature of their relationship though lmao.

 

[Carrotman23]

I'm extremely interested in antiquity, and the more I read primary sources, the more I realize that homosexuality, or more precisely pederasty, in ancient Greece, wasn't merely an "inclination" or an "orientation", it was a fucking institution lmao. From Plato, to Herodotus, Thucydides, or even later, Plutarch, there's not one who's not mentioning men shagging men, often describing stronger bonds and intense emotional involvement than when talking about heterosexual relationships.

It didn't strike me at first in mythology, for example, with Zeus being a known womanizer, going as far as turning Io into a cow and himself into a bull to keep fucking her, without Hera knowing ; Zeus can be such a comical figure in this regard, so many stories like that !
I just started reading Homer, it may give me a bit more insight on this matter lol.

But yeah, we have a VERY long story of totally straight and manly dudes enjoying other men lol.

Edit : and yeah, religion is obviously a big factor, when you risk that :

Haha 100% , also Spartan soldiers would sodomize/have sexual relations often with young essentially slave boys groomed for war, this was all before the invention of homosexuality as a concept.

In traditional Shariah law Sodomy was illegal in general interestingly enough, even between a man and women, and the punishment was also interpreted the same, although in reality very few people faced any conviction due to Sharia law mandating multiple witnesses to convict some one of transgression. Zina (adultery) is treated the same whether Homosexual and or heterosexual except in the Hannafite school and the law can be quite nuanced.



At least the with the Ottomans, they could also be quite tolerant of homosexual acts, and love poetry between two men was not uncommon. Nor was threats of sodomy as a use of warfare but i digress ha.

I highly recommend the two books I screenshotted here, Walla B Hallaq's Sharia Law: Theory, Practice and Transformation and Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800 if your ever interested in these kinda topics

 

[Dirty Frank]

Cheeky feller

 

[Carrotman23]

One of the most famous examples :

The French version of that article also mentions that, if Homer didn't explicitly depict their relationship as homosexual, it was written at a time and place ( seemingly circa 1000 BC in Ionia) where homosexuality was common, but hadn't become that widespread pederasty yet ; in later texts no doubt is left about the nature of their relationship though lmao.

And that's fascinating, Oh how language has fallen! I wish modern English had multiple words for different kinds of love ha.

You seem to know your stuff and I am quite ignorant about classical history especially Greece, as I know a little about Rome, I'd highly appreciate any book recommends on the subject! That are in English of course ya Frenchman

 

[MeganFan]

Lmaoo

 

[Sasha]

In traditional Shariah law Sodomy was illegal in general interestingly enough, even between a man and women, and the punishment was also interpreted the same, although in reality very few people faced any conviction due to Sharia law mandating multiple witnesses to convict some one of transgression. Zina (adultery) is treated the same whether Homosexual and or heterosexual except in the Hannafite school and the law can be quite nuanced.

Haha, I love the "it was dark your honor, I SWEAR she felt just like my wife" and "well one witness actually saw one inch of penis skin. Therefore you're acquitted, congratulations." , and the fact that you need four fucking male witnesses... it seems to me that those are VERY convenient rules. Like, it's totally forbidden and can be punished by death but it seems that you'd need to be in a litteral public daylight orgy to be condemned lmao.

Nor was threats of sodomy as a use of warfare

Lmao some things never change, I see. Thanks for the books, I'll try and get a copy. Sometimes I feel miserable, there's SO much things to read, learn, and do, but you only have so much time, and you gotta work and sleep too. It sometimes happens that I can't decide what to actually do because of the abundance of choice, and I end up doing nothing.

Still better than being interested in nothing I guess, but it can be frustrating.
I'd sign with both hands, if I were offered eternal life, which doesn't seem very wise lmao.

 

[Carrotman23]

Haha, I love the "it was dark your honor, I SWEAR she felt just like my wife" and "well one witness actually saw one inch of penis skin. Therefore you're acquitted, congratulations." , and the fact that you need four fucking male witnesses... it seems to me that those are VERY convenient rules. Like, it's totally forbidden and can be punished by death but it seems that you'd need to be in a litteral public daylight orgy to be condemned lmao.



Lmao some things never change, I see. Thanks for the books, I'll try and get a copy. Sometimes I feel miserable, there's SO much things to read, learn, and do, but you only have so much time, and you gotta work and sleep too. It sometimes happens that I can't decide what to actually do because of the abundance of choice, and I end up doing nothing.

Still better than being interested in nothing I guess, but it can be frustrating.
I'd sign with both hands, if I were offered eternal life, which doesn't seem very wise lmao.

Haha yeah 100% <45> , it's a way for guys to be sus and still go to heaven in their eyes I'm sure.
To be clear many charges handed out in Islamic law would come from confessions and being realistic I have no doubt torture was used at times, although false accusations and confessions were also punished harshly so its complicated.

Also, of course, there are explicit condemnations of male on male "adultery" an sexual acts in the Quran and especially in various Hadiths, although Hadiths often vary widely in terms of who actually accepts them as legitimate. "luti" the term used for a "homosexual" in Arabic was often a term for pederast in reality too. And all this has changed and in some ways modernity and the state (particularly the Gulf Monarchy's) have made Islamic law much harsher, especially with the oversized influence of Wahhabism.

There's also a long tradition of fucking guys and being like "actually it only counts for the bottom" <Lmaoo> as documented by the Egyptian Jurist Ibrahim al- Bajuri.

And I feel you 1000% dude ! I try and read and want to learn so much but fucking work and reality and especially a dwindling attention span fuck me up.
Like one day I'm obsessed with learning about ancient china , then next "sexuality" in classical Islamic society's, and then the next day I'll read a bunch of articles on a "geopolitical" issue like Ukraine etc.

And it is, I think it is very healthy and cool to have interests about the real world and all it's diversity, terror and beauty .

My favorite quote is "Homo sum, humani nihil a me aleinum puto"

Or "I am human, and I think nothing human is alien to me" from Terence the famous African Roman playwright and former slave. Obviously one can't actually embody that completely, but it is a goal to strive for in my view

 

[Sasha]

And that's fascinating, Oh how language has fallen! I wish modern English had multiple words for different kinds of love ha.

You seem to know your stuff and I am quite ignorant about classical history especially Greece, as I know a little about Rome, I'd highly appreciate any book recommends on the subject! That are in English of course ya Frenchman

For the mythology : Mythology: Timeless Tales of Gods and Heroes, by Edith Hamilton, written in 1942 is a timeless classic, my favourite book on the matter.
For more "historical" things, translations of books like Parallel Lives of Plutarch are very interesting, although it isn't an "History book" like you would have today, even with Herodotus (Histories), often called the father of History, it's often mixed with imaginary or mythological facts, but it is very enlightening on a lot of aspects of the everyday life of the Greeks. Plutarch says it himself : little facts of the everyday life, anecdotal stories are often more telling than big heroic battles and such things.
In his Parallel Lives, he describes famous people, often doing a Greek/Roman pair, and kinda compares both, their moral traits, etc. It's a very nice read. As I said, you shouldn't expect extreme historical accuracy, but that is not necessarily the most important.

Works of Homer for Greece, and Virgil for Rome (the Eneid) are crucial reads, it had so much influence. Like I said, I've recently bought a really nice edition of the Illiad and the Odysseus, and just started.

For a contemporary work on ancient Greece, I'm currently reading Ancient Greece : From Prehistoric to Hellenistic Times by Thomas R. Martin, and I find it excellent.
Ancient greece a political, social, and cultural history by Sarah B. Pomeroy seems good too.

First one is from Yale University Press, second one from Oxford University Press.

Really, I'm still learning, I'm far from an Antiquity scholar. I just find it fascinating !

 

[STRAWBOSS]

Haha 100% , also Spartan soldiers would sodomize/have sexual relations often with young essentially slave boys groomed for war, this was all before the invention of homosexuality as a concept.

In traditional Shariah law Sodomy was illegal in general interestingly enough, even between a man and women, and the punishment was also interpreted the same, although in reality very few people faced any conviction due to Sharia law mandating multiple witnesses to convict some one of transgression. Zina (adultery) is treated the same whether Homosexual and or heterosexual except in the Hannafite school and the law can be quite nuanced.

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At least the with the Ottomans, they could also be quite tolerant of homosexual acts, and love poetry between two men was not uncommon. Nor was threats of sodomy as a use of warfare but i digress ha.
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I highly recommend the two books I screenshotted here, Walla B Hallaq's Sharia Law: Theory, Practice and Transformation and Before Homosexuality in the Arab-Islamic World, 1500-1800 if your ever interested in these kinda topics

good post. i will read these titles.

 

[Carrotman23]

For the mythology : Mythology: Timeless Tales of Gods and Heroes, by Edith Hamilton, written in 1942 is a timeless classic, my favourite book on the matter.
For more "historical" things, translations of books like Parallel Lives of Plutarch are very interesting, although it isn't an "History book" like you would have today, even with Herodotus (Histories), often called the father of History, it's often mixed with imaginary or mythological facts, but it is very enlightening on a lot of aspects of the everyday life of the Greeks. Plutarch says it himself : little facts of the everyday life, anecdotal stories are often more telling than big heroic battles and such things.
In his Parallel Lives, he describes famous people, often doing a Greek/Roman pair, and kinda compares both, their moral traits, etc. It's a very nice read. As I said, you shouldn't expect extreme historical accuracy, but that is not necessarily the most important.

Works of Homer for Greece, and Virgil for Rome (the Eneid) are crucial reads, it had so much influence. Like I said, I've recently bought a really nice edition of the Illiad and the Odysseus, and just started.

For a contemporary work on ancient Greece, I'm currently reading Ancient Greece : From Prehistoric to Hellenistic Times by Thomas R. Martin, and I find it excellent.
Ancient greece a political, social, and cultural history by Sarah B. Pomeroy seems good too.

First one is from Yale University Press, second one from Oxford University Press.

Really, I'm still learning, I'm far from an Antiquity scholar. I just find it fascinating !

Thank you!! I will definitely be checking these out especially your first recommendation and Parallel Lives because I don't read enough books that are first hand accounts let alone first hand accounts from century's past, usually read historical texts that have a sort of bird's eye view of a subject as the books that influenced my worldview the most were Eric Howbsbawms "Age Of" series, which also makes me think I should probably check out Herodotus.

And hey..... Luh you dude

 

[Sasha]

To be clear many charges handed out in Islamic law would come from confessions and being realistic I have no doubt torture was used at times,

Christianity, during the Spanish inquisition, was also infamous for that fact ; I think it's just how humans are when they're given too much power...

Like one day I'm obsessed with learning about ancient china , then next "sexuality" in classical Islamic society's, and then the next day I'll read a bunch of articles on a "geopolitical" issue like Ukraine etc.

Totally. Sometimes, I feel that I know things about a wide variety of subjects, then I realize I know nothing. I comfort myself with the words of Socrates : if you know that you know nothing, then you know everything there's to know (rough translation).

And it is, I think it is very healthy and cool to have interests about the real world and all it's diversity, terror and beauty .

My favorite quote is "Homo sum, humani nihil a me aleinum puto"

Or "I am human, and I think nothing human is alien to me" from Terence the famous African Roman playwright and former slave. Obviously one can't actually embody that completely, but it is a goal to strive for in my view

I totally agree. I think that the essence of life is movement and change. Therefore, from the moment you stop learning, and evolving as a person, you get closer to death in that regard.
That's just how I see things, at least.

I actually tried to sign up for philosophy studies at the university for the next year, but it became such a mess. The fact that I'm working a full time job (like, my real job, not just an alimentary job I can ditch if it becomes annoying) complicates the matter as I wouldn't be able to attend most of the classes in person.
Philosophy is becoming important to me, because I'm an atheist, and I totally realize that religion and spirituality generally speaking are filling a void in people, I can feel that, but I'm totally unable, and unwilling to take that road. Therefore my only solution seems to be Philosophy, which is actually what made me first interested in ancient Greece. While outdated, or more precisely, aimed to people living 2500 years ago, it's still a gold mine of wisdom, and, IMO, it's absolutely necessary to study those early philosophers to, then, follow the same road philosophers took throughout the centuries.

I just got stuck in the brilliancy of those ancient times lol.

 

[Sasha]

And hey..... Luh you dude

So do I ! In a totally manly way, and... oh who cares, I can't see any male witness anyway lmao