Reasons why Jon popped (from a PED user)

[ZackZed]

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

 

[Hardkore]

If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

Nah that's what cheaters say to themselves to justify their actions

 

[IIIIIIII]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

thanks for typing all that out. very insightful. on a somewhat related note, the nazi's in world war II were often given cocaine, and other strong stimulants during the war. it makes a lot more sense during a war to do that, but i think it's unfortunate when people can't be honest enough in sports to not take anything for the sake of fair competition.

 

[ZackZed]

Nah that's what cheaters say to themselves to justify their actions

All I know is that Joe Montana first coined this phrase. Not sure if he popped for anything.

 

[egk]

That seemed like a poor analogy in that athletes are people self-selecting for a specific purpose. That's quite dissimilar to the entire population of people.

I used murder and evidence collected at the scene as an example of the differences between evidence and proof. Coolidge thinks evidence and proof are the same thing. He apparently doesn't know the meaning of words he uses so his making a bad analogy isn't surprising.

 

[Reaperman]

No, it doesn't.

Common sense says that you can not make absolute statements about what literally thousands of people are doing.

I don't think you understand what "common sense

Coolidge probably thought Uberreem was natty too. I dunno how many idiots posted here years ago, saying its possible to gain over 50lbs of muscle, but still do MMA training..

Some of these posters are just totally delusional.....lol

 

[Coolidge]

I don't think you understand what "common sense

I know exactly what it means, thanks. I also know it's not quite as common on Sherdog, as evidenced by all the posts that tried to contradict mine. But, there's hope. So far 17 people have liked it.

 

[Reaperman]

No, it doesn't.

gCommon sense says that you can not make absolute statements about what literally thousands of people are doin.

lol I'm not sure you even know what common sense is. You just wrote "Common sense would tell you that out of the thousands of top athletes in the world at least some of them are competing clean.," - which I responded by saying basically ALL really high level athletes are on something - to which you responded by going off on some tangent and saying "Common sense says that you cannot make absolute statements about what literally thousands of people are doing." So basically you are saying that there ARE clean high level athletes, but we can't judge the ones that aren't clean because thousands of others are doing it. lol Great logic!!! You should definitely join the debate team.....

 

[Coolidge]

which I responded by saying basically ALL really high level athletes are on something.

I know how you responded. You were talking out of your ass. You have no way of proving that 'basically all' high level athletes are on something.

 

[Coolidge]

So basically you are saying that there ARE clean high level athletes, but we can't judge the ones that aren't clean because thousands of others are doing it. lol Great logic!!! You should definitely join the debate team.....

That's not what I said. Your reading comprehension is non-existent. I said there are clean athletes at the highest level. Period. That doesn't preclude anyone from judging the ones that aren't clean.

 

[Reaperman]

I know how you responded. You were talking out of your ass. You have no way of proving that 'basically all' high level athletes are on something.

There is tons of testimony already from different suppliers, and positive tests popping up everywhere. If you understood the point, then use an argument that applies to the topic weirdo....

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/spor...of-Olympic-Athletes-are-Doping-374209561.html

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/...-other-athletes-used-clinic-mlb-investigation

 

[Coolidge]

There is tons of testimony already from different suppliers, and positive tests popping up everywhere. If you understood the point, then use an argument that applies to the topic weirdo....

Which doesn't prove that 'basically all' or 'all' (the actual claim) are using steroids.

 

[Reaperman]

Which doesn't prove that 'basically all' or 'all' (the actual claim) are using steroids.

Which goes back to common sense.....lol

 

[Balboa]

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge./

Man, what PEDs is this guy on...

 

[Coolidge]

Which goes back to common sense.....lol

No, it goes back to 'Reaperman' sense, which is obviously different.

One might argue that a man like Victor Conte, a convicted criminal who built a career on deception and illicit behavior, might not be the most trustworthy.

 

[Reaperman]

No, it goes back to 'Reaperman' sense, which is obviously different.

One might argue that a man like Victor Conte, a convicted criminal who built a career on deception, might not be the most trustworthy.

I guess we will agree to disagree - I find you to be totally delusional, and you don't think I'm making sense. haha

 

[ocfightfan]

We cannot believe anything a cheater says TS. So your argument is invalid.

 

[egk]

Man, what PEDs is this guy on...

He likely takes various shit to heal injuries and for stamina. Look up some of the baseball players on PEDs or hell, even pics of Josh Barnett.

 

[Paladin]

50 best 100m sprin times of all time - Bolt made 13 of them. 37 were made by people who faild a drug test at one time in their careers. So Bolt outran aaaaal the supertalented athletes in the world juiced up to the gills naturaly? I'm not that naive.

I don't like to generalize, but if I take the so I could pull 700 lbs of the flor in my garage - if it was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars? There are a lot of clean athletes. Maybe even top guys who get a great season, fighters who have a great fight. But tu be consistent on that level for a long time naturally? Nope

Natural fighters tend to crash and burn after a while. Look at your boy BJ penn.

 

[Strijfy]

This thread...

Was a great thread until Coolidge decided to promoted himself as the official Repository of Semantic Linguistics for this thread and started psycho-analysing everyones posts as to what they really meant with all the gusto of a seagull on a chip