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Real Talk: Do you believe GSP is a 100% Lifetime Natural Athlete?

No I don't but at the time he fought I don't even mind.
 
Oooxente said:
Passed everything the UFC asked him in past and he is passing though everything USADA is asking him now.

Until he GETS CAUGHT he is CLEAN.
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This would be a reasonable conclusion if the tests worked....

98%+ of pro athletes dont compete natty....

<5% of pro athletes fail a drug test in their entire career....

its a sham....

the tests are there so sports orgs can say that they try.....but EVERYONE involved knows anybody could beat the tests fairly easily....
 
xFeeLPaiN said:
fact is he looks way closer to the "enhanced" athlete in the above pic than to the natty 1
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No he doesn't. It doesn't mean anything either way but he definitely looks closer to the natty .. and we have pics of GSP when he was a nobody, and he had the same body and traps. So unless he was using steroids for some unknown reason other than MMA, which makes less sense since he didn't even lift bro, it's more reasonable to assume he is clean.
 
giusti825 said:
This would be a reasonable conclusion if the tests worked....

98%+ of pro athletes dont compete natty....

<5% of pro athletes fail a drug test in their entire career....

its a sham....

the tests are there so sports orgs can say that they try.....but EVERYONE involved knows anybody could beat the tests fairly easily....
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Someone wanting to use might give lip service to more testing, but GSP went a lot further than lip service.

That means he was either clean, or if he was not clean it was because he was using because everyone else is using and he wanted to be clean and had to remove their using to do it.
 
ImNotSurpisedDonks! said:
I'll just agree that he never got caught and that is as far as I will concede. OJ never was convicted of killing his wife under a court of law but he 100% killed his wife.

I honestly don't care and think fighters would be dumb af to not juice in that era. Heck, Id juice in USADA if I could get off......I might even do it anyways, take the penalty, above gettin' my ass whupped and half the paycheck.
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Disagree with you completely man.
The OJ case is more similar with Pokes first strike where we knew,the UFC knew and even USADA knew he did something wrong BUT since he came with a "plausible" argument to be exonerated,they let him go with a light sentence.

Georges never failed a test.
Before or after USADA.
So even if he always had competed on full gear since his debut,theres no argument to say he is on "it" before or even now.
 
giusti825 said:
This would be a reasonable conclusion if the tests worked....

98%+ of pro athletes dont compete natty....

<5% of pro athletes fail a drug test in their entire career....

its a sham....

the tests are there so sports orgs can say that they try.....but EVERYONE involved knows anybody could beat the tests fairly easily....
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Yes it is

But

I am working with the factual evidence that ,unlike someone like Bork or Jones or Belfort he never got into any kind of suspicious situation where anyone could argue he was on gear.
He never displayed a insain body change in a short space of time.
He never got flagged(with ANYTHING)
He never denied participation in any testing.
And he never got caught.

Is GSP on something?
Who knows?
Is his name clean?
Yes.

So for all intents and purposes GSP is clean.
 
I think 90+% of guys at the higher levels have used at some point, including the guys that complain about PED use. So innocent until proven guilty and all that, but the odds are against it.
 
Innocent until proven guilty.

I am 100% sure that GSP and his team use every possible LEGAL drug, pill and product there is to make him as good as physically possible. And if that works there is no sense risking his career and taking the Jones road.
 
We have to give him the benefit of the doubt. GSP is not a big guy, hes very lean. He only weighs like 185-190lb on fight day.

If he was a hulking 280lb monster with abs, then its obvious that hes juicing. But a 185lb guy with low body fat genetics isn't so unbelievable.
 
Boxer46 said:
I'm going to chime in here. The pictures you posted are ultra subjective. I am a 100% natty, always been, never will use, saw to many high level athletes close to me go down the drain and ruin their health, liver faillures, reinal faillure, cardiac complications, high pressure, high cholesterol not to mention fucking rage sprees ect....I can also tell you that in my mid twenties I did not have abbs like neither of these two dudes up there, had a 6 pack prototype but nothing like that. However I did have much bigger traps than the ''enhanced'' guy, I was at least as vascular but nut as dried out ( Didn't need to cut weight to show off, not my buzz lol...also i'm a HW abbs are pointless at 235) and I also had similar if not bigger delts than this ''enhanced'' dude. All this came by training like a had a mission. I didn't even use protein or any supplement back then. It was eating chiken, eggs, horsemeat (the non tainted kind lol) , spinach, greens in general and drinking water. No counting I ate until I was full and I ate when I was hungru period. (At that time it was all the time lol).

What I'm saying is some of us have the genetics to grow into our frame pretty good but mostly I think a looottttt of the people asking these questions about dudes being natural or not don't really train much or hang around athletes to suggest that these pictures are a clear cut ''natty'' or ''enhanced''.

I used to be able to handle 6 to 7 days a week workouts for Football rugby and boxing. up to my late twenties and I was always 100% natural, its normal, I was full of test from being young buck. in the 17-25 age I could eat anything and it would mostly shed off by working out hard every day and I would also bulk easily. Now I can still bulk and gain strength easily at 32 years old but the fat is not coming off easily at all anymore, normal, I'm not using and i'm slowly aging + Beer. Matter of fact i'm 30 pounds overweight atm and anything more than 3 or 4 hard training (Power lifting + Boxing) a week will ruin my body for days so if I really wanted to do something its all in the diet now. In my twenties, couldn't care less what I ate it would come off. GSP is a little older than me but like me his Diet was like mine younger, careless, because he still looked good. Now today he's eating right and doing everything right to gain mass for Bisping. He is also eating right because he had that Dad Bod going on for not stopping his bad habbits while slowing down the training in the past 4 years. ( I did the same and gained the mother of dad bods too after being some what a very big strong and lean HW lol)


Also there is the point of character. Its a big factor. Hanging around high level athletes, you can feel characters and kind get to know, who would cheat or not...You can always start sensing according to athletes values and thought patterns who is able to cheat and would do it without a second thought. I think GSP is not that kind of character, he has to much honor and to much pride in his honesty to do that. He is a no Bullshit dude and hates cheaters and like it or not when you pass your thirties you decline in alot of aspects except strength and mass for some reason it stays for a few more years... But speed, agility,cardio and being able to endure harsh training regimen, it slowly goes away without the special roid sauce. I think he initially left the sport because he was losing his edge slowly because he does not use and was competing against roided out cheats. I don't see him doing it as a character and I think he likes and took the Bisping fight because Bisping is not a cheater and he respects that and feels like its a fair playing ground (other than the 15 pounds he is giving but hell who doesn't like a challenge).

Bottom line, I think it is possible to look like GSP as a natural especialy when he was in his twenties, his genes are right, he trained like a fucking animal but not in a ''steroid abuser'' fashion. He did and still do Gymnastics, a lot of bodyweight training and alot of cardio. I've seen plenty of clean athletes reach that 160-190 ish supper ripped GSP look 100% naturally. I've also seen tons of others go from 150 to 190 in 6 months for the same ripped look and doubling almost tripling their weight room numbers. THIS is not normal and they had many of those character flaws that would make them cheat without a doubt anyway.

Now IF he was using, don't you think he would be trying to reach a walk around weight of 210?? How can he be roiding while struggling that much to get to 198 pounds! ??? He used to walk around at 190....he gained 8 pounds over about 6 months and shed away the Dad bod with a proper diet. I Mean roid users can gain 4 times that mass easily in 6 months. Again He barely gained 8.

NOT using.

Think about it.
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Sheer length of post deserves props on SD.
 
I think GSP's tank is definitely full of Diesel, he hasn't been caught yet, so fair play to him.
 
UJustGotChaeld said:
If you have traps your whole life, it means you started using steroids at 20, even though you had the traps at 18. Makes a lot of sense.
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18 year old Brock Lesnar.

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I doubt it, only because I dont believe any top level elite athlete is. I also dont care.
 
Very athletic
Very good cardio
Very strong
No fat
Dominated most opponents he faced

Must be maple syrup
 
No. He looked inhumanly fast and strong in some of his best fights, especially the second against Penn.
 
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