Real Talk: Do you believe GSP is a 100% Lifetime Natural Athlete?

[MescalineDreams]

GSP has always been one of the least likely guys to have been natural for me.

Seems pretty obvious.

That said, he fought In an era where the testing was a joke. I believe In fairness, martial arts spirit and all that shit..but at the end of the day, cant really hate on him too much for wanting every possible advantage In his career.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Nonsense.

Here's the most accomplished bodybuilder of all time before steroids got in the sport. 5'9" 185-195 lbs:

That's the absolute natural genetic limit with perfect genetics. You see guys ALL the time more muscular than that, even taller guys. It's absurd.

bruh, if u went back In history..you'd find some JAAAAAAAAAACKED dudes. They were around.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

Have never heard anything to doubt him. Just that good of an athlete.

 

[MMAandBOXINGfan]

He's clean

 

[Oooxente]

so if you have traps, you are on roids. Got it

These trapsNope
These traps

Highly suspicious

 

[superpunch]

bruh, if u went back In history..you'd find some JAAAAAAAAAACKED dudes. They were around.

Ok I just showed you the best bodybuilder of all time before steroids were around. Here's the strongest man in the world in 1900-1910 before steroids were around.

Yeah, he's big, but you see guys bigger than him in every gym you go to.

 

[Oooxente]

No Bashing, just tell us your honest opinion


fact is he looks way closer to the "enhanced" athlete in the above pic than to the natty 1

Passed everything the UFC asked him in past and he is passing though everything USADA is asking him now.

Until he GETS CAUGHT he is CLEAN.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Ok I just showed you the best bodybuilder of all time before steroids were around. Here's the strongest man in the world in 1900-1910 before steroids were around.

Yeah, he's big, but you see guys bigger than him in every gym you go to.

I meant like all of history.

Go back thousands of years even. There were some JAAACKED mofos long before the modern incarnation of bodybuilding existed.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Lifetime? Zero chance

Nah bro. He was best friends with the biggest drug dealer in N.America but would never go near that stuff......kinda like how Jones would snort coke, sandblast prostitutes but would never do anything to help his game.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Passed everything the UFC asked him in past and he is passing though everything USADA is asking him now.

Until he GETS CAUGHT he is CLEAN.

GSP is the cautious type that would never get caught, even if he was juicin'. Heck, he is so safe guarded that no one even knows about his wife/kid (supposedly). Jon Jones is reckless and feels infallible - GSP, even in his fighting style, is cautious, calculated and realizes his vulnerability all too well.

I think EVERYONE from that era did something, as it was just part of the game. Any timde you hear a fighter talk candidly about that era, they all say the same thing. Roids were as big a part of the sport as learning jiu jitsu.

 

[Oooxente]

GSP is the cautious type that would never get caught, even if he was juicin'. Heck, he is so safe guarded that no one even knows about his wife/kid (supposedly). Jon Jones is reckless and feels infallible - GSP, even in his fighting style, is cautious, calculated and realizes his vulnerability all too well.

I think EVERYONE from that era did something, as it was just part of the game. Any timde you hear a fighter talk candidly about that era, they all say the same thing. Roids were as big a part of the sport as learning jiu jitsu.

Agree
But still
Never got caught...he is clean.

 

[Wintermute]

Nah I don't, and I also don't think it matters considering how many of his steak enthusiast opponents were likely on that good shit too

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Nonsense.

Here's the most accomplished bodybuilder of all time before steroids got in the sport. 5'9" 185-195 lbs:

That's the absolute natural genetic limit with perfect genetics. You see guys ALL the time more muscular than that, even taller guys. It's absurd.

Google old time strongmen (not body builders - that was never popular in the 1800's, when actually being strong was important rather than appearance). Your Google images page will have many examples of men more muscular than that.

Again, if you have a visual inspection system which can determine that someone is using steroids just by looking at them, don't waste your time on Sherdog. The IOC anti-doping committee will pay you millions for it, because they would love to replace blood tests with a visual system.

Do you really think that people like Dick Pound haven't heard of all the visual signs that make up Bro-Science? Ask yourself why they haven't been implemented. Hint: its because visual systems are even less reliable than blood tests. Now if you have a system which is reliable, you're a rich man. But I'll believe it when I see it being used.

This visual inspection stuff is the same kind of conspiracy theory as the fake moon landing crap - people think that the sporting bodies are either ignorant of or suppressing all the bro-science which can tell by looking if someone is using, no doubt because the Illuminati or the CIA or the KGB or something like that loves blood tests and so keeps these definitive visual tests so secret that only the enlightened people on Internet forums have heard of them.

Visual inspection isn't used, because it doesn't work except in extreme cases. Once again, if your system is different, then you are a rich man. If not you're doing the testing equivalent of astrology.

There are a lot of reasons to think most UFC fighters (including GSP) are using. How they look is not part of it. Anyone involved in any aspect of testing knows that. The sporting officials, who would love to be able to disqualify someone for their appearance (talk to them, you'll learn how big a headache the whole blood testing setup is and how much they hate having to use it to determine who is using PED's), know that they can't because appearances don't prove what bro-science thinks it proves.

 

[GSP1978]

Honestly the visual test tells us nothing. Ask Josh Barnett. How many steroid tests has he failed.

Plenty of guys are muscular, and I really don't think GSP is particularly muscular.

Here is hockey player Bobby Hull from the 1960's:

 

[ufcfan4]

Real talk, never use that phrase again.

And no, obviously not. Look at the physique he had in his prime.

Whenever I hear the phrase, I think of this





As for GSP and the TS’ question. all we know is that he’s never failed a test so we shouldn’t operate with a guilty until proven innocent mentality.

The look test is problematic because there are a guys who’ve been popped who don’t have monstrous physiques. Wouldn’t it stand to reason that there are people on the other ends of the spectrum that are jacked that aren’t on something.

 

[1SikSix]

Aliens juiced him full of Turinabol while he was sleeping.
Not his fault.

 

[JustBleed69]

No Bashing, just tell us your honest opinion


fact is he looks way closer to the "enhanced" athlete in the above pic than to the natty 1

No idea man. I hope he was but i dont want to be naive.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Agree
But still
Never got caught...he is clean.

I'll just agree that he never got caught and that is as far as I will concede. OJ never was convicted of killing his wife under a court of law but he 100% killed his wife.

I honestly don't care and think fighters would be dumb af to not juice in that era. Heck, Id juice in USADA if I could get off......I might even do it anyways, take the penalty, above gettin' my ass whupped and half the paycheck.

 

[Coolidge]

Honestly the visual test tells us nothing. Ask Josh Barnett. How many steroid tests has he failed.

Plenty of guys are muscular, and I really don't think GSP is particularly muscular.

Here is hockey player Bobby Hull from the 1960's:

Stop being disingenuous. GSP in his prime was extraordinarily muscular. And what is the picture of the hockey player supposed to prove? You're aware steroids were around back then, correct?

'the visual test tells us nothing'

Oh, really?

The eye test doesn't tell you anything about this gentleman? The Josh Barnett argument is weak. Nobody said that all steroid users have a stereotypical steroid physique. It just makes it much more obvious that they're taking steroids. There is nothing more pathetic than a wilfully dishonest fanboy.

 

[Levi_]

The nipple stimulation to conceal his case, albeit extremely mil, of glandular breast tissue was a bit suspect. We also have reports of the gsp camp asking testing authorities about the scheduling of what were supposed to be randomized tests.

I think the cognitive bias is going to be a little too much for his enthusiasts; they appreciate his accomplishments and fighting ability to the extent that they’d outright dismiss any possibility of use, suspected or otherwise

One thing for sure is that the elite in the sport get where they are with drug use and I’d be surprised if rush was a true exception to this truth.

‘Good genetics’ just mean a sound drug protocol for some....

LOL, just the opposite on the cognitive bias, and the OP is the perfect example; that is confirmation bias that he IS using. If that isn't cherry picking information which confirms pre-existing beliefs or ideas, I don't know what is.

Here's the most solid piece of evidence regarding his guilt or innocence: He has NO positive tests. Everything else is half-baked speculation. The idea that he is "suspected" is purely confirmation bias by those who want to believe he is guilty.

We don't actually know which of the elite are or aren't using, only that roids are prevelant in the sport. Much as people say "Come on man, it's obvious," we really don't know. And Nate Diaz doesn't know either. I'm sure camps don't call and report to him which fighters are using; he is making assumptions to a large degree like everyone else. He could be motivated in part by the fact that he isn't the best fighter around, and wants to blame that on roids by other fighters. Or hell, he could be saying that to throw people off the trail of his own roids use. No one really knows.