Ray Longo: “Anderson was on EPO.”

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Silva's blood passport in relation to the Diaz fight







while not proof, that 48.6% hematocrit in camp (dropping down to 45% by fight night), and off score over 105 is definitely cause for suspicion/further investigation.

Had that been under USADA they certainly would have paid a much closer look

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Longo throwing shade probably isn't too smart

 

[CleverNameEh]

I had a drink with Ray Longo once in Vegas

The guy’s eyes are beautiful

Did you ask him to punch a hole in your chest? That'd make a great gif

 

[donkeyjr]

funny, because Weidman cardio went to shit after USADA.

 

[OmegaRugal]

When Weidman beat Silva Anderson was 38 and still killing people. After Weidman & USADA he can't win a fight. The same thing can be said of Chris, but I think it's just as likely Chris took Silva's mojo just as I think Rocksalt took Chris'.

You just defeated your own post.

It was pre USADA and Silva lost to Weidman twice.

So his losing STARTED BEFORE USADA.

He didn't even look that great vs Bonnar before that. Bonnar tagged him a few times when Silva tried to Matrix him.

Silva was already downgrading.

Weidman in his PRIME YEARS ... only started losing and Losing BADLY btw ... with the start of USADA.

His KO power? Gone
His chin? still good but not as good
His reaction time on defense? Gone ... Silva had trouble hitting him, now EVERYONE cracks his chin EVERY post USADA fight.
His physical size? Smaller
His dominant wrestling? Gone
His speed? Gone


He has a solid all round game but not great at anything anymore.

Weidman is 1- 4 during USADA with 4 KO loses and in his one win nearly got KO'd.

Same Weidman who pre USADA Silva, pre USADA Machida, unfortunately post TRT Vitor could not knock out or even hit clean. Now EVERYONE finds the mark on Weidman every fight. What changed?

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

At the :30 mark he says Weidman’s camp was told Silva was on EPO for the first Weidman fight.

True if huge.

Told by who though? It makes a huge difference if he was told by a testing body or maybe by the guy selling the EPO, vs being told that by some guy who knows a guy who knows the cousin of someone who might have seen it happen.

That Anderson was using at one point is known, he tested positive. When he started using is harder to determine, it'd be nice to have something more than "we were told by someone or another".

 

[RudimarChute]

Silva's blood passport in relation to the Diaz fight

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while not proof, that 48.6% hematocrit in camp (dropping down to 45% by fight night), and off score over 105 is definitely cause for suspicion/further investigation.

Had that been under USADA they certainly would have paid a much closer look

Quality post! Interesting stuff.

 

[rjmbrd]

Same Weidman who pre USADA Silva, pre USADA Machida, unfortunately post TRT Vitor could not knock out or even hit clean. Now EVERYONE finds the mark on Weidman every fight. What changed?

His competition.

Yoel Romero is cartoonishly more difficult a fight than old fart Machida. Go watch the footage of Romero nonchalantly punching Machida to sleep.

Chris can 100% still beat old fart Belfort, retiring Munoz and old fart Machida, literally right now.

Romero, Rockhold and Moose are a substantial step up in competition.

 

[OmegaRugal]

His competition.

Yoel Romero is cartoonishly more difficult a fight than old fart Machida. Go watch the footage of Romero nonchalantly punching Machida to sleep.

Chris can 100% still beat old fart Belfort, retiring Munoz and old fart Machida, literally right now.

Romero, Rockhold and Moose are a substantial step up in competition.

Rockhold ... who lost to Bisping? And nearly got ko'd by David Branch?

Moose who sucks vs grapplers was tailor made for pre USADA Weidman.

Romero is the only super tough one there.

Weidman went from possible GOAT MW to punching bag since USADA. Stop trying to make.excuses for.him.

 

[RudimarChute]

Told by who though? It makes a huge difference if he was told by a testing body or maybe by the guy selling the EPO, vs being told that by some guy who knows a guy who knows the cousin of someone who might have seen it happen.

That Anderson was using at one point is known, he tested positive. When he started using is harder to determine, it'd be nice to have something more than "we were told by someone or another".

That’s the thing I hate about these fighter podcasts etc, how did they not follow up with that question?

 

[rjmbrd]

Rockhold ... who lost to Bisping? And nearly got ko'd by David Branch?

Yes, Rockhold is head-and-shoulders better than old fart Belfort and old fart Machida, and always better than Munoz. He would also be heavily favored over Maia. He's 1-1 with Bisping, putting him away in the second round.

He also put David Branch away, in the second round. He was never remotely near KO'd, he wasn't even in trouble.

Moose who sucks vs grapplers was tailor made for pre USADA Weidman.

Yes, Moose who is widely regarded as one of the best middleweight fighters in the world, is a step up in competition from any version of Munoz, and off trt Belfort. This is just flat out common sense.

Weidman went from possible GOAT MW to punching bag since USADA.

Weidman can still beat old fart Machida and Belfort and any version of Munoz and Maia, today, right now.

As it turns out, fighting Rockhold, Romero and Moose is substantially more difficult. This shouldn't need to be explained, but here we are.

 

[savemgs]

What was Weidman on?

 

[OmegaRugal]

Yes, Rockhold is head-and-shoulders better than old fart Belfort and old fart Machida, and always better than Munoz. He would also be heavily favored over Maia. He's 1-1 with Bisping, putting him away in the second round.

He also put David Branch away, in the second round. He was never remotely near KO'd, he wasn't even in trouble.




Yes, Moose who is widely regarded as one of the best middleweight fighters in the world, is a step up in competition from any version of Munoz, and off trt Belfort. This is just flat out common sense.





Weidman can still beat old fart Machida and Belfort and any version of Munoz and Maia, today, right now.

As it turns out, fighting Rockhold, Romero and Moose is substantially more difficult. This shouldn't need to be explained, but here we are.

Those guys can't beat prime Silva yet he beat beat prime according to most people.

If u agree that the Silva he beat was already well pass his prime then u could have ur argument.

 

[kickpuncher]

Isn't Anderson's record about the same since USADA.

Silva got robbed vs Bispong and won a round vs Israel (shoutout to conor fans).

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Anderoid cheating?! Get out of here!

 

[rjmbrd]

Those guys can't beat prime Silva yet he beat beat prime according to most people.

If u agree that the Silva he beat was already well pass his prime then u could have ur argument.

I don't get your point?

There are plenty of guys that would beat Silva. For example, I'd pick Romero to beat any version of Silva. Anderson benefited from a fairly light overall strength of schedule. Weidman was far and away the best guy he faced, and he smashed him. We knew it was coming because someone as deeply flawed as Sonnen was dominating him.

In the same way, Romero and Rockhold were the toughest fights Weidman had, both in their overall qualities and how they matched up with his own skill set.

"The matrix" stuff on Silva was all promotional hype. He was a very skilled striker with subpar wrestling, that fought in a fairly uneventful field in middleweight history. We'd later find out he was on steroids.

It is what it is.

 

[OmegaRugal]

I don't get your point?

There are plenty of guys that would beat Silva. For example, I'd pick Romero to beat any version of Silva. Anderson benefited from a fairly light overall strength of schedule. Weidman was far and away the best guy he faced, and he smashed him. We knew it was coming because someone as deeply flawed as Sonnen was dominating him.

In the same way, Romero and Rockhold were the toughest fights Weidman had, both in their overall qualities and how they matched up with his own skill set.

"The matrix" stuff on Silva was all promotional hype. He was a very skilled striker with subpar wrestling, that fought in a fairly uneventful field in middleweight history. We'd later find out he was on steroids.

It is what it is.

The same Romero that nearly lost to Kennedy and Brunson ... is better than ANY version of Anderson Silva?

LMAO.

 

[rjmbrd]

The same Romero that nearly lost to Kennedy and Brunson ... is better than ANY version of Anderson Silva?

LMAO.

He almost lost to the guys by spectacularly knocking them both out.