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News Raul Rosas Jr vs Terrence Mitchell set for September 16th

Who wins?


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Rosas isnt very good . He was trying to just hold on for dear life in his last fight. He had no idea what was happening. He’s done
Christian Rodriguez is a very solid, well rounded, talented fighter. Rosas is very physically strong, and a good grappler, but he didn't know how to adapt if he couldn't run through his opponent. And he's literally a teenager.

Mitchell is nowhere near the fighter that Rodriguez is. This is very clearly a bounce back matchup for Rosas, and he will most likely completely destroy Mitchell.
 
No idea who Terrence Mitchell’s manager is but they’re doing him no favors. He’s clearly there to be a rebound and building block for prospects.
I'm glad other people notice this shit. Half that roster is there to make the marketable fighters look good. Smoke and mirrors 101 from the UFC.
 
No idea who Terrence Mitchell’s manager is but they’re doing him no favors. He’s clearly there to be a rebound and building block for prospects.
Helping dude get paid, he's 33 already and most likely won't ever reach top 15. These types of guys are meant to be stepping stones for the next generation. Hoping we can see an upset though!
 
Rosas has a high ceiling? Based on what, exactly? Beyond Dana White hyping him up?

Everyone has a high ceiling when all you know about them is... well, not much, really.

The fact that he's super young is virtually meaningless to me.
Super young with some awesome grappling. I was really impressed with his scrambles and chain wrestling but obviously he needs to be a bit more fearless if he wants to fight to his potential and skill.
 
Rosas should be able to win but who knows, his striking is a non factor he has 0 fight IQ and his cardio doesn’t seem to be the best either.
I think Mitchell is bad enough to the point that Rosas can brute force a win with wrestling but I also don’t think Rosas near as good as Saaimon.
 
No idea who Terrence Mitchell’s manager is but they’re doing him no favors. He’s clearly there to be a rebound and building block for prospects.
Maybe thats the only reason why they bothered to call him for another fight?
 
Good addition to the Noche card.

I was actually kind of glad Raul lost that last fight. He was already talking 3 division champ nonsense. Confidence is one thing, but too much cockiness usually ends up biting fighters in the ass. I hope he’s come back down to earth a little since his loss.

He seems like a good kid. But needs to keep his ego in check, imo. Remain humble and continue to improve. There will probably be ups and downs, but time is seriously on his side. Put in the hard work and who knows where he might end up.

He seems to have a lot of detractors already. He’s still just a kid. I expect him to mature at the same time as his skills expand and improve. He found out he’s not all that just yet. Which is a good lesson to learn for a young fighter. I wish him well. As long as his head doesn’t get too big.

I just ran into his DWCS Next Level videos. I didn’t know they had done one on him. Part 1 is all about his DWCS fight, and about the next month, or so after that.

Part 2 continues on from there to his UFC debut at UFC 282.





 
Christian Rodriguez is a very solid, well rounded, talented fighter. Rosas is very physically strong, and a good grappler, but he didn't know how to adapt if he couldn't run through his opponent. And he's literally a teenager.

Mitchell is nowhere near the fighter that Rodriguez is. This is very clearly a bounce back matchup for Rosas, and he will most likely completely destroy Mitchell.

When they are good, the fundamentals are clear even in their greener stage. He was completely lost.
 
Nah dude. Rosa is shot. His confidence and optimism. Gone. You know the old adage

“Better a plum late than an apple early “

They harvested him too soon.
I’ve always said this about fighting in general. people are so obsessed with starting kids young in the sport so that by they are in their “prime” they will excel. I find it goes the other way… when kids start younger in fighting they either plateau early or take too much damage to last.
Or in Rosas case they never let him develop through the ranks and fed his ego. I see a short career for this kid.
 
Winner gets Rockhold’s old Ralph Lauren male modeling contract.
 
It will be interesting to see if rosas paces himself this time since he blew his wad in his last fight; and if he does pace himself, will he even be the dangerous fighter that he was? most of his wins came from his just overwhelming his opponents with pace and wrestling in round one, but if he takes that high pace away, what will he have? I'm interested in watching because I think he already is a very solid grappler and has years to build on that skillset.

I don't know much about Terrence mitchell, but isn't he a collegiate wrestler? He is a big 135lber, too, but like rosas he seems to have questionable cardio.

Yeah, I'm not totally prepared to label Mitchell as some pushover opponent for Rosas. That said, Raul should probably be a decent favorite, with the qualifier that Terrence is hard to get a read on. We've had a... decidedly mixed bag of results from the Alaskan regional scene over the years, with a handful of diamonds in the rough. Mitchell's level of competition looks to be fairly "meh" at a glance, but again that's to be expected from the Alaskan scene where the general depth of talent is notoriously quite low. For what it's worth, he's beating these guys the way they should be beaten: by early stoppage. He has a 100% finish rate.

He's a big, lanky dude for the weight class sorta like Montel Jackson: 5'10" with a long-ass reach (74" versus 67" for Rosas). I've found some videos of his highlights and gone over them, both before fighting Saimann and again now. Normally I don't particularly like using highlight vids for serious analysis of a fighter because they are by their very nature biased, but it's what I was able to get. My initial impression based on the footage, his fight with Cameron, and his record is that he's a bit wild at range. He throws naked head kicks and flurries of looping power punches while crashing forward, but he's not much of a technical striker overall. Unfortunately I haven't seen much in the way of front kicks, low kicks, jabs, or straight punches in general: all things that would probably serve him well considering his long frame. He seems physically strong and dangerous in the clinch, however. He's very willing to strike (sloppily) into said clinch before manhandling his opponent and beating them up with short punches, elbows, and especially knees. Overall, however, I'd say he leans heavily on his physicality, power, aggression, and the threat of the takedown to carry him in striking exchanges.

Speaking of which, where Mitchell really seems to shine is in the grappling. I couldn't find any mention of a wrestling pedigree, but he is definitely a primary grappler in MMA and seems to actively seek the takedown in most bouts. He has a lot of wins via sub and GnP on his record and I've seen him play a bit of guard off his back as well. I wouldn't say he's the most refined or technical takedown specialist I've ever seen -- more of an explosive "power-wrestler" with a brutal top game. Well, brutal against a bunch of Alaska FC cans.

What worries me enough to push me away from Terrence as an underdog pick here are the intangibles. Rosas is a young guy who's unpolished and unproven, sure. But he's hungry and I can generally believe he might improve or at least be motivated to do so. With Mitchell... there are some red flags. Even aside from his poor level of competition, Terrence was always very inactive. Looking back at his youth on the Alaskan regional scene, he fought at most twice in one year -- oftentimes only once. And that was when he was at his most active, mind you. He caught a break and made it to Season 24 of TUF only for Kai Kara-France to sleep him in like 30 seconds. That was in 2016. Between then and the short-notice Saimann call-up, Mitchell returned to Alaska and fought only three times in seven years -- all of those against nobodies on the Alaskan regional scene. Then he gets signed to be the sacrificial lamb to Saimann and of course he agrees, because why not? It's the opportunity he always wanted.

I dunno, he's nearly in his mid-30s now and seems like he was largely content with being the "biggest fish in a small pond". I don't know if he ever focused all that hard on MMA as a career to begin with. I suspect he just took a few fights here and there as a side gig when it suited him, when he needed extra cash, and/or when he got bored. I think it's sort of telling that he never accepted any offers from orgs like Bellator, LFA, PFL/WSOF, etc. over the years. I'm almost certain one or all of these promotions would have signed him given the fact that he's a TUF veteran, dominant regional champion, and always finishes fights. Or I dunno, maybe he's just super injury-prone, which is just as big of a red flag in its own way. So far the steps up in competition have not worked out in his favor and it wouldn't surprise me if this whole UFC stint is just a paycheck collection/bucket list experience for him. He just feels less like a contender and more like a can-crushing regional standout to me.

Now that I'm done with my little armchair psychology narrative... even on a pure stylistic basis I'm not convinced Terrence has enough of the tools to punish Rosas for his own numerous deficiencies. Mitchell is probably the better and more dangerous striker, but not by some tremendous margin. Being very frank, I dunno if he can even keep it standing and in open space for any real length of time considering Saimann went 2 for 2 on TDs against him. If Terrence tries to outwrestle Rosas, that's a tall order considering Raul is a talented grappler (who readily scores reversals while fresh) and a big, physically strong dude even by Bantamweight standards. Meanwhile, Terrence is a former Flyweight who got easily reversed and outwrestled before being finished in the first round by Saimann: a dude who has shown holes in his defensive grappling and is historically a bit of a slow starter.

Technically Rosas has 0% TDD, with Rodriguez and Gutierrez both having taken him down and controlled him one time each... but those happened in the third rounds of their respective fights after Raul slowed down a bit. Which brings me to the next question: can the vet in Mitchell outpace Raul and grind out a cardio-based win? In theory, sure... but Terrence is a dude who has always won via early stoppage across his career. No idea what he looks like outside of the second round; in fact he lost the one fight in his career that went the distance.
 
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Who is the lower level fighter you'd want Mitchell to face?

I mean, this guy is a literal teenage hype prospect.

This is Hype Child vs Alaska in a battle to see which is the lower bar.

Jake Paul-level stuff where you don't know whether the Disney star is better than the ex-MMA fighter who can't box.

You could make an argument for someone like Garcia, Koslow, Johnson, Oliveira, Lacerda, Kazama, etc. being "more winnable" fights on the basis of them all having 0 wins and in many cases multiple losses inside the UFC... but I'm not sure I'd buy it in many of those cases. A lot of those guys are more well-rounded and/or have more high-level experience than Rosas even if they haven't gotten the same results or received the same push.

There's also Buys, I guess... but I'd rate the chances of his name popping up on UFC Roster Watch very soon as pretty high lmao. If not then I would easily consider him to be one of the best match-ups for Mitchell in the division :p
 
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the fact that people here are seriously debating raul rosas jrs potential is just laughable to me. rosas jr is just a bad of a signing as CM Punk. his whole selling point is he's 18!!!!!!!? he got exposed badly in his last fight.
 
Mitchell might be the worst fighter at 135
Valiev is not in the UFC and Mitchell is having a second run
It makes me sick
 
Mitchell might be the worst fighter at 135
Valiev is not in the UFC and Mitchell is having a second run
It makes me sick

Every late replacement gets at least a 2nd fight unless they miss weight.
 
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