Opinion Rate Donald Trump in effectiveness on getting what Trump wants

[BFoe]

I won’t debate the ethics or anything like ruby, I’m saying Trump has managed to push his agenda pretty damn hard. I don’t keenly focus on politics to be honest, but I haven’t seen a president push so many federal changes in my lifetime.
Good or bad, that’s just my observation.

I agree, Trump has been largely effective in getting what he wants.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Dictatorships aren’t necessarily bad. It all depends on who is the dictator.

Oh fuck off. The worlds full of dictators, pick your poison and buy a one way ticket

 

[Blayt7hh]

Dictatorships aren’t necessarily bad. It all depends on who is the dictator.

I mean if you are religious, God is a dictator. He doesn’t negotiate, he doesn’t get checked, his word is absolute. The problem with humans is obviously we are all prone to corruption and failures.

Trump deserves more power, of course I am loving all the changes he’s making, so of course I’d want him to consolidate power.

I am loving his big beautiful bill, I’ve been wanting Medicaid, and SNAP cut for the longest time. Ideally, I’d even cut SSI by a large amount. I am against social safety nets so of course I am pro all this.

The one of the worst court cases ever was Goldberg v Kelly, it gave due process to the termination of welfare which is terrible.

I’d be in favor of a dictator if it meant we can eliminate the welfare state and instill a survival of the fittest capitalistic system.

Dog eat dog world and that’s in part what makes it great.

Of course, the fear is somehow a socialist gets into power and starts trying to get everyone into a welfare state and turn us into Denmark or something.

No if you’re a true American you believe Dictators are bad. You don’t want a welfare system? Great he comes sling and fixes that. You’ll sing a different tune when he starts violating your inalienable rights though. Now you’ve traded away your rights to get a shortcut to what you want. It’s shortsighted and stupid.

Btw, there is no welfare state here. That’s made up bullshit that the right peddles to get people outraged

 

[DoctorTaco]

Are you so cynical that you believe all humans are naturally evil and once given absolute power always use that power for evil?

Yes.

I happen to believe it is possible to do good and be good in the face of absolute power.

literally a hackey writers trope. The evil guy wants to take over the world to bring peace and order to it.

 

[DoctorTaco]

No if you’re a true American you believe Dictators are bad. You don’t want a welfare system? Great he comes sling and fixes that. You’ll sing a different tune when he starts violating your inalienable rights though. Now you’ve traded away your rights to get a shortcut to what you want.

Makes me think of that scene in the series, “ the man in the high Castle” where it is raining ash and they are casually mentioning they are burning the derelict and infirmed up at the hospital.

 

[curryjunkie]

Yes.

literally a hackey writers trope. The evil guy wants to take over the world to bring peace and order to it.

hes trolling , like all his threads

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Are you so cynical that you believe all humans are naturally evil and once given absolute power always use that power for evil?

I happen to believe it is possible to do good and be good in the face of absolute power.

If you take a step back and consider you're talking about Trump your entire premise is laughable.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I think in practice all dictatorships are bad because generally only bad people can ever consolidate enough power to become a dictator. It’s practically impossible for a kind, nice, and good hearted person to rise to the position of a dictator.

Dictatorships are self selecting from a group of evil people. I don’t agree with the quote that “absolute power corrupts absolutely” but that evil people seek absolute power.

Meaning, I don’t think power corrupts a good person but instead acts as bait for bad people.

I don’t think there’s inherent within the nature of a dictatorship that is evil though, it’s just one person controlling everything.

Everyone should at least selfishly want a dictator In place that aligns with their interests.

Selfishness is not a trait of good people.

 

[koa pomaikai]

Selfishness is not a trait of good people.

Everyone is selfish, by your definition there are no good people.

I haven’t ever met a altruistic person.

I’ve never seen an action that is not motivated by a sense of self.

Parents who die for their children? It’s because it’s their children.

People who die for children? It’s because they care about children (something they care about)

I haven’t seen an action where someone does something they hate in self sacrifice because of a objective moral belief that the thing is good.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Selfishness is not a trait of good people.

We learned about the “enlightened dictatorship” in high school. It’s like communism, it can work and even be the best option on a small scale. On a large scale it’s a nightmare.
TS might not have made it to that semester yet, tho.

 

[koa pomaikai]

No if you’re a true American you believe Dictators are bad. You don’t want a welfare system? Great he comes sling and fixes that. You’ll sing a different tune when he starts violating your inalienable rights though. Now you’ve traded away your rights to get a shortcut to what you want. It’s shortsighted and stupid.

Btw, there is no welfare state here. That’s made up bullshit that the right peddles to get people outraged

Okay don’t call it a welfare state.

I want to get rid of SSI (social security income, not SSA)

I want to get rid of section 8

I want to end all SNAP benefits

I want to end Medicaid ( I don’t want it replaced, I want it gone ) no insurance? Too bad, find someone to help you, don’t have someone? Too bad.

The existence of these things to me mean a welfare state.

I am against all forms of social safety nets.

 

[koa pomaikai]

We learned about the “enlightened dictatorship” in high school. It’s like communism, it can work and even be the best option on a small scale. On a large scale it’s a nightmare.
TS might not have made it to that semester yet, tho.

Not always, emperor Meiji was pretty good, you have other monarchs throughout history that were also damn good kings.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

1. Build a wall for the entire southern border
2. Mexico will pay for it
3. End birth right citizenship
4. Repeal Obamacare
5. Provide a healthcare alternative
6. Eliminate the national debt
7. Bring back manufacturing jobs
8. Lower inflation and cost of living
9. Secure 18 trillion dollar investment
10. Pass a massive infrastructure build
11. Release his tax returns

I think its supposed to be a list of what he wants, not things he claimed, so #11 goes.

Based on your list he's batting .300 and working on a couple others. He might get 4 and 5 .

And no one can get #6 in 1 term. Doubling tax revenue without increased spending would take at least 10 years to pay it off

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Everyone is selfish, by your definition there are no good people.

I haven’t ever met a altruistic person.

I’ve never seen an action that is not motivated by a sense of self.

Parents who die for their children? It’s because it’s their children.

People who die for children? It’s because they care about children (something they care about)

I haven’t seen an action where someone does something they hate in self sacrifice because of a objective moral belief that the thing is good.

That might be the case but it's a word for a reason, even if at the end of the day being altruistic benefits your group, or you personally if your actions earn you an ally or a good reputation. People inherently have selfish traits but culture and religion teach you how to be a good person that sees the value in sacrifice. Wanting a malignant narcissist whose been a charlatan his entire life to become a dictator is epic delusion.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

We learned about the “enlightened dictatorship” in high school. It’s like communism, it can work and even be the best option on a small scale. On a large scale it’s a nightmare.
TS might not have made it to that semester yet, tho.

Ghandi in charge? Maybe. Trump in charge? Ahhhh hahahahahahaha, LMAO...

 

[sickc0d3r]

Not always, emperor Meiji was pretty good, you have other monarchs throughout history that were also damn good kings.

You should probably read a little about Meiji like I just did. Dude had no political power.

 

[koa pomaikai]

Ghandi in charge? Maybe. Trump in charge? Ahhhh hahahahahahaha, LMAO...

Yeah Trump is a narcissist but I’m aligned with him on 90% of policies, so why not.

He’s nowhere close to being a dictator in reality. He took a lot of power but nowhere close to dictator power status.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yeah Trump is a narcissist but I’m aligned with him on 90% of policies, so why not.

He’s nowhere close to being a dictator in reality. He took a lot of power but nowhere close to dictator power status.

I mean I get it that's good for you. Objectively looking at his time in office, including J6 and the TS documents case, then it's a guy I don't want having absolute power. IMO what you're looking at with Trump is no different than what Venezuela had with Chavez. The question is how effective he'll be in consolidating power in the military and judiciary but if he's successful the average American will suffer the way the average Venezuelan has suffered. If you're truly an elite it might even end up benefiting you but if you're just an idealist you'll likely suffer as well under a Trump dictatorship.

 

[koa pomaikai]

You should probably read a little about Meiji like I just did. Dude had no political power.

What? He had the most political power for a emperor in a while, he consolidated and centralized Japan under himself when it was splitting into fractions.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

What? He had the most political power for a emperor in a while, he consolidated and centralized Japan under himself when it was splitting into fractions.

In Japan the Emperor was a figurehead for many eras. The power just shifted from warlords to politicians.