Opinion Rate Donald Trump in effectiveness on getting what Trump wants

Blayt7hh said:
I mean he’s been super effective. He’s managed to make himself immune to the law.

He’s the closest thing we have had in the US to an authoritarian dictator. It’s sad people are happy about this. Just shows how uneducated and shortsighted his supporters are
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Dictatorships aren’t necessarily bad. It all depends on who is the dictator.

I mean if you are religious, God is a dictator. He doesn’t negotiate, he doesn’t get checked, his word is absolute. The problem with humans is obviously we are all prone to corruption and failures.

Trump deserves more power, of course I am loving all the changes he’s making, so of course I’d want him to consolidate power.

I am loving his big beautiful bill, I’ve been wanting Medicaid, and SNAP cut for the longest time. Ideally, I’d even cut SSI by a large amount. I am against social safety nets so of course I am pro all this.

The one of the worst court cases ever was Goldberg v Kelly, it gave due process to the termination of welfare which is terrible.

I’d be in favor of a dictator if it meant we can eliminate the welfare state and instill a survival of the fittest capitalistic system.

Dog eat dog world and that’s in part what makes it great.

Of course, the fear is somehow a socialist gets into power and starts trying to get everyone into a welfare state and turn us into Denmark or something.
 
I think Trump is fairly effective and getting what he wants. He wouldn’t be able to do it without a wildly corrupt, America-hating party and millions of ignorant voters behind him though.
 
DoctorTaco said:
Oh fuck off. The worlds full of dictators, pick your poison and buy a one way ticket
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Are you so cynical that you believe all humans are naturally evil and once given absolute power always use that power for evil?

I happen to believe it is possible to do good and be good in the face of absolute power.
 
Well he is great for republicans seeking reelection in moderate swing states will run for the hills when Trump comes around. Galvin Newsom may have ended his effort to seek the Presidency by not seeking to even the slightest rise in taxes on billionaires as many democrats in California want. Oh the Billionaires are going no where they are not going to run to Alabama or Florida.



 
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koa pomaikai said:
Are you so cynical that you believe all humans are naturally evil and once given absolute power always use that power for evil?

I happen to believe it is possible to do good and be good in the face of absolute power.
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While it’s possible for a dictator to do good things, I think all dictatorships are inherently bad because they are inherently anti-freedom. They are systems of government in which power doesn’t derive in any capacity from the People.
 
BFoe said:
While it’s possible for a dictator to do good things, I think all dictatorships are inherently bad because they are inherently anti-freedom. They are systems of government in which power doesn’t derive in any capacity from the People.
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I think in practice all dictatorships are bad because generally only bad people can ever consolidate enough power to become a dictator. It’s practically impossible for a kind, nice, and good hearted person to rise to the position of a dictator.

Dictatorships are self selecting from a group of evil people. I don’t agree with the quote that “absolute power corrupts absolutely” but that evil people seek absolute power.

Meaning, I don’t think power corrupts a good person but instead acts as bait for bad people.

I don’t think there’s inherent within the nature of a dictatorship that is evil though, it’s just one person controlling everything.

Everyone should at least selfishly want a dictator In place that aligns with their interests.
 
The math is not mathing. Trump is selling this crap.

 
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Uh not to be a cunt here but while you guys were looking at his Mexico builds a wall and pays for it BS and a metric ton of crazy tweets, a lot of executive actions and policies have been signed.

I don’t know how it compares to others but as a small business owner, I’ve seen a lot of changes this year and during his first term.

I’d actually say he has generally gotten his way on many issues, while coming up short on others. Not unlike any other president.
 
koa pomaikai said:
I think in practice all dictatorships are bad because generally only bad people can ever consolidate enough power to become a dictator. It’s practically impossible for a kind, nice, and good hearted person to rise to the position of a dictator.

I don’t think there’s inherent within the nature of a dictatorship that is evil though, it’s just one person controlling everything.

Everyone should at least selfishly want a dictator In place that aligns with their interests.
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I don’t think people should want that though. To do that would be to totally disregard and not care about (and often times directly oppress) people who don’t share my interests, and that’s not a good thing. Of course I want my healthcare plan of choice to win out, for example, but I want it to win out on its merit, not by strong-arming it down other people’s throats. Anytime you have dictatorships or authoritarian regimes, you have people on the outside whose voices are silenced and freedom is negated.

This is a key difference between liberals like me and conservatives on the other side. When Minnesota passed their new voting rights bill, Tim Walz mentioned specifically that the bill makes it easier to vote and participate in the process, and that he knows full well that not everyone will vote Dem—but that’s not the point, the point is to make participating in democracy easier.
—Republicans on the other hand say “fuck it, let’s just rig the maps so we’ll always be in power,” and they view doing this as “hey, that’s just politics man.” But it isn’t.

It’s always important to protect minority rights when there’s majority rule, and dictatorships don’t do that.
 
Mike Hagger said:
Uh not to be a cunt here but while you guys were looking at his Mexico builds a wall and pays for it BS and a metric ton of crazy tweets, a lot of executive actions and policies have been signed and are currently working.

I’d actually say he has generally gotten his way on many issues, while coming up short on others.
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Right, and practically none of these executive actions or policies are good. It wasn’t a matter of distracting us btw, when you pass everything by EO and remove the people’s representatives from the equation, the options to stop it are limited. And those options mainly depend on the government choosing to heed the courts.

This is one of the main reasons that Trump is so dangerous. I’ve said this before, but the only good thing about the guy is that he’s basically like a hacker that shows you what the vulnerabilities of your system are. Which wouldn’t be so bad if people wanted to fix it, but of course they’d prefer to exploit it instead.
 
BFoe said:
Right, and practically none of these executive actions or policies are good. It wasn’t a matter of distracting us btw, when you pass everything by EO and remove the people’s representatives from the equation, the options to stop it are limited. And those options mainly depend on the government choosing to heed the courts.

This is one of the main reasons that Trump is so dangerous. I’ve said this before, but the only good thing about the guy is that he’s basically like a hacker that shows you what the vulnerabilities of your system are. Which wouldn’t be so bad if people wanted to fix it, but of course they’d prefer to exploit it instead.
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its dangerous because it opens the door for the republicans to do it next time they get in, the precedent has been set, they already stretched the conventions before trump, he just set fire to them and half the electorate are absolutely fine with it.
 
curryjunkie said:
its dangerous because it opens the door for the republicans to do it next time they get in, the precedent has been set, they already stretched the conventions before trump, he just set fire to them and half the electorate are absolutely fine with it.
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Yeah, the apathy is what kills me. Doesn’t matter whether it’s rigging maps, fucking over Ukraine in favor of Putin, or bombing Iran and Venezuela, there doesn’t seem to be much that that the populace won’t go along with.
 
4.3 growth
2.7 inflation
Stock market hitting aths
20% decline in murder rate
Secure border
Stopping Trans mutilation on minors

a decade of hate and still not even a high five from our MSM
disgusting
 
BFoe said:
Right, and practically none of these executive actions or policies are good. It wasn’t a matter of distracting us btw, when you pass everything by EO and remove the people’s representatives from the equation, the options to stop it are limited. And those options mainly depend on the government choosing to heed the courts.

This is one of the main reasons that Trump is so dangerous. I’ve said this before, but the only good thing about the guy is that he’s basically like a hacker that shows you what the vulnerabilities of your system are. Which wouldn’t be so bad if people wanted to fix it, but of course they’d prefer to exploit it instead.
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I won’t debate the ethics or anything like that, I’m saying Trump has managed to push his agenda pretty damn hard. I don’t keenly focus on politics to be honest, but I haven’t seen a president push so many federal changes in my lifetime.
Good or bad, that’s just my observation.
 
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