Rampage explains how outer space is a hoax

[Fedora Millionankles]

Says the guy who just blanket dismissed the entirety of YT with one.

I’m dismissing the Science denying, illiterate flerfs. Try to keep up.

 

[Andy Capp]

Are you going to explain what you're even talking about? Or do you have me confused with someone else again?
What photo? And what relevance does it have to what I've said to you?

Try the search function and do your own research

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Yet, they have no evidence of any of their beliefs other than, “it looks flat to me.”

not quite the angle i was looking at here. its just telling that once again its all the jews fault... david icke has a similar take on all the reptilian aliens that masquerade as humans on this planet. turns out lots of them are jews too...

 

[Andy Capp]

not quite the angle i was looking at here. its just telling that once again its all the jews fault... david icke has a similar take on all the reptilian aliens that masquerade as humans on this planet. turns out lots of them are jews too...

Can you point some out for me? I have questions for them.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Can you point some out for me? I have questions for them.

i think you are missing the point im making.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

Try the search function and do your own research

Nah, can't actually be bothered. I have no idea what photo you're even talking about, it's you that seemed to be pushing to get me to talk about it.
I'm pretty sure you weren't actually even talking to me, you just forgot who you'd posted it for in the first place.
Your mistake.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

Apologies if I lump all you Science denying imbeciles together.
NASA are “fakers?” So how do you explain my tracking of the ISS and veryifying its speed and orbit?
How do you explain the retro reflectors that I personally have bounced a laser off of at my University observatory? Even myth busters has done the same thing.
How do explain what happens with all the rockets launched by them and Spance X?
By not answering a single question, you show how disingenuous you are.

Tracking of an object flying high in the night sky? Well that must prove it's a space station endlessly circling the earth.

I've already questioned you on the reflectors. It's obvious the moon reflects light, as that is the fundamental reason we can see it. So why wouldn't it reflect a laser (which I will add that by the time it reflects back, it can be many miles wide and needs a special machine to detect the tiniest faint signal)?
Try telling a flat earther that proves the moon. They will just say it could just be the dome reflecting it back anyway. So as much as you don't like those answers, yours doesn't automatically trump them.

And you're going to use Elon Musk and his wealth to prove we landed on the moon? Space X didn't even claim to go there so why you are bringing that up is beyond me.

As for what happens to the rockets that are launched. Hahahaha, look it up.

 

[trendnick]

It would not wonder me, if Rampage believe that UFOs actually exists in real. <45>

 

[calavera2]

Not sure if anyone noticed but rampage didn't explain anything.

 

[KnockoutsGalore]

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But, I'm sure they're all just in on it.

 

[Natural Order]

Really hoping that @CyberRubberDuck @Copper Burner and @terrapin have filled out their donor cards so that their brains can be studied in full after death. It's about time we free humanity from this crippling disease called stupidity.

 

[Copper Burner]

Really hoping that @CyberRubberDuck @Copper Burner and @terrapin have filled out their donor cards so that their brains can be studied in full after death. It's about time we free humanity from this crippling disease called stupidity.

Hey man, you're they guy that believes in fantasy.

 

[Natural Order]

Hey man, you're they guy that believes in fantasy.

What do I believe in here, exactly?

 

[Copper Burner]

What do I believe in here, exactly?

That the ball spins 1000 mph, flies through the galaxy at 640,000 mph. And then supposedly the only thing that holds oceans, people, and most everything else to the ball is a force that no scientist can explain, or even determine what causes it.

You have alot more to back up than I do. Fake pictures of the earth doesn't cut it.

 

[Blayt7hh]

dont miss that this is not an attack man... its an olive branch.

it is probability theory that i was referencing. william lane craig references its use often concerning the way more prevalent experiences with god. but its just simple logic and i came to it without ever consulting the theory. what is the probability that all of those sightings by individuals, all of those sightings by groups of people and by unconnected groups of people of the same object or thing across ages, culture, income and education levels are ALL hallucinations or lying or miss-identification?

i think the obvious answer is that its not possible and that is a perfectly reasonable and logical position hold. im not saying its a necessary position to hold.

not sure what your trying to say about my attachment to the outcome. its just the last thing on my mind in these threads. im not even attached to my own pet theory for hell sakes... it just makes sense of all the data better than any other after having thought about it a great deal over years and trying on many different perspectives for lengths of time. way more important are the emotional and psychological dynamics being played out in these threads though. this is just way way more interesting to me frankly. but i do have a deep and keen interest in these topics and have a lot of knowledge too, some of it first hand knowledge, and so its an area where i can reliably analyze things.

you can mock but you simply CANNOT know more about every single sighting than the person or people who where there... especially when you haven't ever read the accounts!!! thinking you can is nothing short of profound hubris. but also man... it hurts people and it is a massive contributor to the abandonment of reason these days. people do so much damage in the world this way. its unscientific in the extreme!!!

most of the time you can spot fallacies and lies and terrible logic in nearly every single post made by those who mock in the name of science. and all i can think is "why damage the cause like that"?

earlier in this thread someone claimed that jeff meldrum is a fraud that has been debunked. ... i happen to KNOW this is not true as ivevetted that guy DEEPLY. this man holds a phd in bipedal locomotion and has himself gathered track ways of bigfoot that he says cannot be faked... that contain dermal ridges and injuries and healing patterns that NOBODY could have the knowledge to fake or the ability to fake out in the middle of nowhere where he found them. these are not single tracks but trackways across varying substrate... its his area of expertise.... but many come in from all around the country and world too. so i read the debunking, again, as it turns out. it was a hack job 100% it lied, it omitted facts, it slandered and worse of all? it pretended the book he wrote for the public was meant to be a submitted scientific paper and then denigrated it for including accounts from witnessed not taken by psychologists. all this when they could have actually critiqued the actual scientific papers he has published!!! but that would have been harder because he really is an expert in the field of bipedal locomotion and his papers are NOT bullshit.

this is outright lying and slandering and manipulation by the VERY PEOPLE that claim to be defenders of scientific accuracy. its an absolute joke and when people who have no education see that kind of thing they are not stupid... they dont miss it man. and it turns them away from science because they confuse the crowd of emotionally charged lunatics with science itself. its also interesting that people that identify with science miss all of that as it confirms the a priory assumption...

all of this because of an a priory bias on the part of the science crowd and their hubris!!!

anyway man i dont know your post history and often i dont look to see who posted a post because i dont want to create too much bias so im not saying that most of this applies to you at all. im just saying that if we are really going to value logic and reason then there are lots of perspectives outside of the box that can and should be considered thoughtfully. wolfgang smith is a renowned physicist and held 3 phd's by the time he was 18 or so if i remember. he is no slouch. he applies the EXACT same notion i do on how to explain the variety of things people experience on the spiritual level. its similar but not identical to jungs work. he is also publishing or has published a paper trying to explain how all of this is possible though a new theory of quantum physics. that is a heavy hitter talking just like me only way better.... its not important if his theory will hold out. what is important is that thinking people... way better minds than yours and mine are thinking along these lines.

i dont ask anyone to agree with my perspectives. disagreements are guaranteed even. my position is that they are reasonable.. well thought out... and logical and that mocking goes so far it loses all credibility and ground in logic and reason itself. when the person does this kind of thing in the name of science its really a tragedy and an expression of a new religion called scientism. its just as hypocritical as modern day evangelicals who are trump supporters.


anyway man i have goodwill towards you and im not saying all or even much of this applies to you. im just defending my position as perfectly reasonable, if not necessary, and deserving of respect.

I agree with you that eyewitnesses can be unreliable, however that is not an absolute. Certainly many eyewitnesses can be reliable - so there's a flip side to that coin.

If eyewitnesses are 100% unreliable according to psychologists, then we would give them no credence in a court of law, but we do. That doesn't mean that eyewitnesses are relied upon as a sole piece of corroborating evidence, but they do carry their weight.

Nobody is saying eyewitnesses should be believed a 100% of the time - that would be ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as saying that eyewitnesses are unreliable 100% of the time, which seems to be the argument you are making.

I've said in many of these types of threads that it's certainly possible that the majority of reports of ufos or bigfoot are unreliable or part of a hoax or misidentification. But what do you do with the tiny percentage that might be reliable eyewitnesses, or have corroborated stories with accompanying circumstantial evidence?

I just think it's a huge logical error to dismiss something based on the absolute idea that all eyewitnesses are getting it completely wrong, 100% of the time. Even if only one ufo case out of the hundreds of thousands throughout history proves legitimate, that is intriguing for me.

I just cannot commit to painting with broad strokes and making absolute assertions based on admittedly surface level knowledge of phenomena we don't understand. That doesn't mean I have the answers, so I could buy the argument that it's an exercise in futility, because at the end of the day I'm willing to admit that the minority of cases that can't be passed off as unreliable, gets us no closer to an objective truth. And then you have the mountain to climb which is trying to parse legit experiences from the crap, which is ultimately what shied me away from getting too deep in the subject.

Both of you are assuming that because a lot of people saw something that it must have happened. That’s just not true. For one in relation to the population of those areas it’s practically no one. For another a trend among almost all of these sightings is that they are short in duration and under poor visibility, so yes misidentification is definitely a legitimate explanation.

So here’s my stance on it. Let’s use Bigfoot for an example. If it was 1700 and someone in town came running in and said they saw a giant ape man, I would give it credence. We were in a new land vastly untouched.

Today though there are almost 400 million people across the country. We’ve had cheap and affordable photographic cameras for 50ish years. Cell phones that take videos in our pockets for 15. And now, cheap affordable drones combing the skies. And you’re asking me to believe that this massive animal is avoiding detection? And all of their population at that? That they’re sweeping up their poop and incinerating their dead so we don’t find even traces of them?

I’m not seeing why you guys think that someone asking us to ignore that many problems with the idea should be taken seriously. It’s also illustrative of why just because theirs been a number of sightings over time doesn’t mean that there is a legitimate claim behind them, as the idea itself is fairly ludicrous now.

Another thing that makes Bigfoot a good example in this topic is the frequency of his sightings. Before the 60s, the myth barely existed. After the famous video of him that we all now know was faked by a man in a suit and that’s an actual fact, sightings of Bigfoot skyrocketed. That right there illustrates why just because a lot of people think they saw something isn’t enough to give something with virtually no other proof of its existence much credence.

 

[Blayt7hh]

That the ball spins 1000 mph, flies through the galaxy at 640,000 mph. And then supposedly the only thing that holds oceans, people, and most everything else to the ball is a force that no scientist can explain, or even determine what causes it.

You have alot more to back up than I do. Fake pictures of the earth doesn't cut it.

That image is especially rich since in the Roman Empire days it was common knowledge that the earth was round. He ancient Greeks knew this as well, with Aristotle at least having known this in like 4 or 500 BC.

I guess we now know why you’re an idiot though. You get your information from random images shared on social media.

 

[Copper Burner]

That image is especially rich since in the Roman Empire days it was common knowledge that the earth was round.

I guess we now know why you’re an idiot though. You get your information from random images shared on social media.

Most Romans held onto the flat earth model, while the "educated" pushed a sphere model.

You get your information from Nasa, which wss founded by freemasons.

I'm surprised that you didn't comment on the UN map of the world, which depicts a flat earth. The truth hidden in plain sight. Well, it's hidden to fools anyway.

Firstly, i will not betray my senses. Or the way earth is described in the bible.


 

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

That the ball spins 1000 mph, flies through the galaxy at 640,000 mph. And then supposedly the only thing that holds oceans, people, and most everything else to the ball is a force that no scientist can explain, or even determine what causes it.

You have alot more to back up than I do. Fake pictures of the earth doesn't cut it.

Don't expect any response apart from name calling and insults to this. Addressing your points is something they are not capable of. Easier to avoid acknowledging that fact by launching childish insults and appeals to authority. Lol.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Most Romans held onto the flat earth model, while the "educated" pushed a sphere model.

You get your information from Nasa, which wss founded by freemasons.

I'm surprised that you didn't comment on the UN map of the world, which depicts a flat earth. The truth hidden in plain sight. Well, it's hidden to fools anyway.

Firstly, i will not betray my senses. Or the way earth is described in the bible.


 

Wow. I thought you were going to come back and claim that that historical information had been faked or planted. I actually didn’t expect you to say that only educated Romans knew the Earth was round. Think about what you’re saying there lol.

You’ve got to be trolling us. I really really hope that’s the case and there aren’t people out there dumb enough to think those images are maps. Like you think that Norse image is the maps the Vikings used to sail around Africa and Russia and over to North America? Ain’t no way you’re that fucking stupid is there?

BTW I did not get my knowledge of Roman and Greek history from NASA you absolute buffoon.

 

[Copper Burner]

Wow. I thought you were going to come back and claim that that historical information had been faked or planted. I actually didn’t expect you to say that only educated Romans knew the Earth was round. Think about what you’re saying there lol.

You’ve got to be trolling us. I really really hope that’s the case and there aren’t people out there dumb enough to think those images are maps. Like you think that Norse image is the maps the Vikings used to sail around Africa and Russia and over to North America? Ain’t no way you’re that fucking stupid is there?

BTW I did not get my knowledge of Roman and Greek history from NASA you absolute buffoon.

"Educated" people told you to wear a mask outdoors and while in your car. It means nothing.

How did the Vikings navigate if the they didn't know the earth was a ball?

Why did you avoid discussing the UN map of the world which depicts a flat earth?