Rampage explains how outer space is a hoax

i need to know how you are defining it to see how it relates to my point. or better stated i need to know what game you are playing and why.


also i dont care if you believe and have no interest EVER in convincing anyone of belief. its not an area i care much about or have given much thought to. also... believe in what? there are so many perspectives i would have to know what you mean.

I'm talking about your bigfoot example. You asked:

"Do you really believe that it's impossible for a person to know what they've seen?"

I'm stating that yes, it is impossible for people to truly 100% "know" what they they've seen. All we can do is evaluate the evidence and come to the most reasonable conclusion.
 
I'm talking about your bigfoot example. You asked:

"Do you really believe that it's impossible for a person to know what they've seen?"

I'm stating that yes, it is impossible for people to truly 100% "know" what they they've seen. All we can do is evaluate the evidence and come to the most reasonable conclusion.
ok.
 
it's always retarded threads like these that get to tens of pages long
some retard come in with some bullshit, 100 "smart people" gather to call him an idiot.
you're making society worse by continually replying to cretins.
fucking ego-posting dumb-asses.
These are my all time fav sherdog threads.
 
here is a direct quote from your post man...

"And you’re asking me to believe that this massive animal is avoiding detection? And all of their population at that? That they’re sweeping up their poop and incinerating their dead so we don’t find even traces of them?"

"I’m not seeing why you guys think that someone asking us to ignore that many problems with the idea should be taken seriously."

so yeah... your post not only did not address ANY arguments but it also represents my positions wrongly. this is all too common when discussing fringe topics. its like people leave reason at the door for some reason. like that jeff meldrum debunking article that lied, slandered and omitted evidence about his book but also refused to critique his published scientific papers. and these guys who wrote it are SUPPOSEDLY serious scientists!!!!

i could defend the position you wrote above from the perspective that they are physical beings too though and it would not be that difficult even. jeff meldrum has offered answers to all of that. i dont think your reasoning on that is very good frankly unless once again you take NONE of the accounts into consideration. but its not my position to defend so i wont bother.

ill wait for a thorough response from you to my previous post and my actual positions if you choose to give one. otherwise have a great day man. the main takeaway though? it is perfectly reasonable and reasoned to believe the phenomenon is actually happening and any mocking only denigrates the person doing it and the spirit of science itself and serves to further divide the country.
I’m clearly being dramatic in my post. I didn’t suddenly forget since you’ve made it a point to go out of your way and say you won’t argue any specific case.

No i d understood your point from the beginning that we should t mock people for their beliefs. The point of my post was when it’s really piled up like that, why shouldn’t we? Which you did answer now, and we’re even more dramatic than me about it. This is not dividing the country lol
 
I’m clearly being dramatic in my post. I didn’t suddenly forget since you’ve made it a point to go out of your way and say you won’t argue any specific case.

No i d understood your point from the beginning that we should t mock people for their beliefs. The point of my post was when it’s really piled up like that, why shouldn’t we? Which you did answer now, and we’re even more dramatic than me about it. This is not dividing the country lol
Thinking people are being honest about the division between the scientifically-minded and those who are trusting their gut reactions more. Obviously we want everybody to be scientifically minded but something has gone wrong.

One of the things that has gone wrong is a polarization on both sides where contempt prior to investigation rules each side's perception of the other. Contempt prior to investigation on the part of the scientifically-minded is seen rightly as hypocrisy and hubris by those who are trusting their gut reactions. When that hubris also includes slander, dishonesty, misrepresentation and lying, it creates a very powerful divide among the two groups.

Mocking and denigration and casting insults furthers that divide and creates a barrier where neither side can see the good or truth in the other side's positions... or even wants to.

These threads serve as a perfect microcosm of that macrocosm and play out the dynamics perfectly. Both sides are causing deep harm and division. Both sides are in the wrong and both sides have a part to play in the solution. It just depends what's motivating us whether or not we want the solution and whether or not we want it to take the kinds of actions that lead to solution rather than division.

The only motive I can find for mocking from either position is emotionalism and pettiness and immaturity. There seems to be no reasoned purpose behind it.

I am part of a large meditation community with theological connections to groups all over the country and I can tell you that the world's philosophers are thinking about this issue and so are we. and it is so obviously an important one. We're slowly dividing as a country and this is one of the factors that is causing it. And its an easy one to fix because it's root cause is just pettiness and emotionalism and bullying. Some of the most base motivations we have as human beings.

Those of us on a meditation path can see no reason whatsoever why we wouldn't already be ceasing this ridiculousness, but it seems a whole sect of the country on both sides is hell bent on being total assholes and further dividing everyone from one another and causing harm rather than good in the world.

This conversation is being had by lots of thinking people as I have said and it's part of a larger discussion around the damage social media is doing where people seem to think that being an a****** all day on social media doesn't make one an a****** in real life naively forgetting that they're actually being that person a great deal of the time and forming their character that way and poisoning the world that way.

The root cause of all of this is not reason but emotionalism and emotional immaturity.
 
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It's definitely flat. There really isn't any mystery to it at all. We use maps of the round earth to navigate on ships planes and we have satellites circling the round earth and also we have people on this forum have been able to prove it like those who work on oil rigs and they have lasers that go between them and they have to account for the round earth to make it all work.

The debate has been put to bed. The discussion continues because some people are not able to confirm a round earth for themselves.

The book and the God you believe in, as well your own senses and experience, say otherwise
 
The book and the God you believe in, as well your own senses and experience, say otherwise
Then how do you explain the appearance of the Moon in the photographs I posted earlier ITT? During a lunar eclipse, where does the Sun go?
Edit:
Here's a timelapse sequence.
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Full disclosure, I didn't take these particular photos but the ones I have posted ITT look just like several of them and I have more. You can see for yourself.
 
The book and the God you believe in, as well your own senses and experience, say otherwise
That's what anyone would think when they confuse various literary genres for scientific ones or historical ones....

It's like 2000 years from now picking up a book that is fiction and thinking it's a historical account or a science fiction book has if it was a work of science or a book with science in it but written for the general public mistaken for a published scientific paper.

All of these are examples of genre confusion.
 
That's what anyone would think when they confuse various literary genres for scientific ones or historical ones....

It's like 2000 years from now picking up a book that is fiction and thinking it's a historical account or a science fiction book has if it was a work of science or a book with science in it but written for the general public mistaken for a published scientific paper.

All of these are examples of genre confusion.
It's weird that people actually believe that the Bible is a historically factual representation of science when speaking about the history of the Earth. Young Earth Creationists use a book with burning bushes, angels destroying cities, a man being eaten by a whale, and Sky Daddy impregnating a 13/14 year old girl as the basis for the foundation of scientific knowledge.
 
Then how do you explain the appearance of the Moon in the photographs I posted earlier ITT? During a lunar eclipse, where does the Sun go?
Edit:
Here's a timelapse sequence.
cP53jRVAXFYwSSrioUyBsb-1200-80.jpg


Full disclosure, I didn't take these particular photos but the ones I have posted ITT look just like several of them and I have more. You can see for yourself.
Further to this, counting from top left to bottom right 1-14 above, compare with these ones I took,
See #8,
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#11,
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#14, or close to,
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Note the difference in the angle of incidence of the Sun's light compared with the reference images above because I'm further north here. That should help to establish that I took them.
 
It's weird that people actually believe that the Bible is a historically factual representation of science when speaking about the history of the Earth. Young Earth Creationists use a book with burning bushes, angels destroying cities, a man being eaten by a whale, and Sky Daddy impregnating a 13/14 year old girl as the basis for the foundation of scientific knowledge.

I can agree with most of this post. It's a confusion of genre when they make this mistake. The semitic peoples were not interested in exact historical data. When they told a story they wanted you to know what the story meant, what the eventmeant. They were concerned with meaning and not data, notwhat exactly happened in a historical way.

Today we are almost 100% swung in the opposite direction being nearly completely unable to see meaning in the world, but being extremely capable at taking in data. The dichotomy could be framed in a right brain left brain context.

The semitic peoples made extremely liberal use of numbers, especially as they had a system of numerology meant to convey meaning. So if they say they killed 10,000 everybody listening to that story knew it was not 10,000. It's what 10,000 represented.

Nobody was lying. It's just simply what everyone understood the genre to be about. But when you read that from a modern perspective and our obsession with historical accuracy, a lot of errors introduce themselves into the text that aren't really there.

The further back the text is written the less historical accuracy mattered to the people. The more recent the text, the more likely it is to be historically accurate.
 
Yeah, there's zero evidence of Bigfoot, if someone claims to have seen one then there's a burden of proof. Even just noting the location and having it analyzed.

You guys just keep saying this, and it's objectively incorrect.

Why do you self proclaimed smart science people keep doing that, other than denial and dogma? It's a complete and utter lie.
 
It's weird that people actually believe that the Bible is a historically factual representation of science when speaking about the history of the Earth. Young Earth Creationists use a book with burning bushes, angels destroying cities, a man being eaten by a whale, and Sky Daddy impregnating a 13/14 year old girl as the basis for the foundation of scientific knowledge.

Its not a science book. Its a history book among other things.
 
You guys just keep saying this, and it's objectively incorrect.

Why do you self proclaimed smart science people keep doing that, other than denial and dogma? It's a complete and utter lie.
when you have a priory assumptions that are unconscious you dont need facts. you just need those gut level "knowings". its dogma all right and its no coincidence that the people who have dogma and dont know it spot it easily in the "out" group. classic projection.
 
when you have a priory assumptions that are unconscious you dont need facts. you just need those gut level "knowings". its dogma all right and its no coincidence that the people who have dogma and dont know it spot it easily in the "out" group. classic projection.

It's super dishonest. That's why I rightfully make the observation that most people who fancy themselves as followers of the method are really just establishment accolytes.
 
Like Trump or not, America was far better off by all metrics with him as President. Cost of living, lower. Gas prices, way lower. Interest rates, lowest in 40 years. Military, strongest in decades. Wars, not a single one and Israel experienced peace. Could go on for an hour.
Wtf does Israel experiencing peace have to do with America lol
 
It's super dishonest. That's why I rightfully make the observation that most people who fancy themselves as followers of the method are really just establishment accolytes.
i agree with that completely man. its just terrible. check out the article posted earlier supposedly debunking meldrum. its a total hit piece complete with slander and lies and omissions and misrepresentations all so they can call him a pseudoscientist....

but dont you think the fringe, ct, paranormal, ufo etc crowd does the same thing in a different way? i feel like they make massive and wild assumptions and call things fact that are not proven and also that are sometimes dead wrong. i think its just as irresponsible and damaging to do that. a fringe type can justifiably say "i have looked into this and am convinced of it" but they often say "this is already proven for anyone who has looked into it" and that goes way too far and becomes the same kind of lie. MANY authors and speakers from that side lie all the time too so its a total shitshow.

i was raised in the new age movement and the disillusionment was profound when i realized that many false points of history, theology, science etc were presented to me as facts dishonestly when they aren't usually even full fledged theories or even hypothesis... and it is often intentional!! professional liars!!

neither crowd is very interesting to me at this point and those ive found the most resonance with are people with a deep spiritual and intuitive life who are also rigorous thinkers.
 
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