Rambo: Last Blood

[Philo-Publius]

Above the Law (Seagal?) and Kickboxer as better made and executed action films than Rambo 3...

I say no. And like I said, if you took Rambo 3 out of the Rambo universe and instead it was a JCVD action film with a new character, it would be one of his best performances of that time period and one of his best movies.

Maybe you meant Nowhere to Run, in which case I say the same thing.

I would say "Above the Law" is Seagal's second best film after Under Siege. It was his breakout film and is highly regarded as a martial arts/action classic. Are you questioning that one as a choice as one of his best?

Rambo 3 is the least invested Stallone ever was in the Rambo character, but it was still far better than the average 80s/90s JCVD performance.

If Rambo 3 with its level of quality were instead a JCVD movie, I think people would easily list it among JCVD's classics.

Agree to disagree on that.

 

[BisexualMMA]

I would say "Above the Law" is Seagal's second best film after Under Siege. It was his breakout film, and is highly regarded as a martial arts/action classic. Are you questioning that one as a choice as one of his best?

I was questioning its inclusion in your list of Van Damme movies because it was a Steven Seagal movie and not a Van Damme movie.

Sure, it's among Seagal's best, but it's a big dropoff from Under Siege to whatever is #2.

 

[Philo-Publius]

I was questioning its inclusion in your list of Van Damme movies because it was a Steven Seagal movie and not a Van Damme movie.

Sure, it's among Seagal's best, but it's a big dropoff from Under Siege to whatever is #2.

I was presenting a list of films for both actors since you named both of them. I picked my top 2 Seagal films and my top 3 Van Damme films.

 

[BisexualMMA]

I was presenting a list of films for both actors since you named both of them. I picked my top 2 Seagal films and my top 3 Van Damme films.

My mistake then on that point, not my finest display of reading comprehension.

 

[Rhood]

• The "grandmother" character was just being used for character development. She wasn't a major part of the plot.
  
• Crossing the border as an American (which Rambo and his niece are in the film) is very easy. You just need your passport to come back.
• When you're a super wealthy cartel, you may have your ways of crossing the boarder as well (plus resources once you get across the border). The trucks may have been on the other side once they got over. The movie didn't explain how they got across the boarder because it probably would have added 30 minutes of film unnecessarily. It really had nothing to do with the story (even though it may have been everything in the minds of people who see the traffickers as victims).
• If he didn't give himself up in the scene you are referencing, he would have been shot dead. Rambo getting knocked down and then coming back is kind of a theme of the franchise.

Before I watched this film, I had a belief that Rambo would go into Mexico and take everyone out 1 by 1.
Just like he did in Rambo (2008)
His whole plan was extremely amateurish.

How is it that Rambo crosses into Mexico with only a knife, yet the cartel crosses into the US with weapons galore?
That is total nonsense!
The US border is a lot more stricter than the Mexican one.
Most of the hood rats in the cartel didn't even speak english. Shit like that would get you grilled instantly by the US border patrol.

I also thought it was odd how one of the cartel bosses had empathy and let Rambo live.
I thought he would be the first one to die, but nope!
The crazy and psychotic one died first. I guess he was pretending to be crazy.

I still think Rambo could've handled his business in Mexico instead waiting for the mob to follow him back home.
It was like the entire plot revolved around his ranch and his astounding underground doomsday bunker.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Before I watched this film, I had a belief that Rambo would go into Mexico and take everyone out 1 by 1.
Just like he did in Rambo (2008)
His whole plan was extremely amateurish.

How is it that Rambo crosses into Mexico with only a knife, yet the cartel crosses into the US with weapons galore?
That is total nonsense!

It's not inconceivable. It's also possible that many of their resources (vehicles, weapons, and even people) were already on the U.S. side of the border. I don't think it was really important to explain those details because it just wasn't a big part of the story.

The US border is a lot more stricter than the Mexican one.
Most of the hood rats in the cartel didn't even speak english. Shit like that would get you grilled instantly by the US border patrol.

I also thought it was odd how one of the cartel bosses had empathy and let Rambo live.

I guess that was unique. I really don't know enough about their industry to know how often they would off an elderly man who encroached on their territory.

I thought he would be the first one to die, but nope!
The crazy and psychotic one died first. I guess he was pretending to be crazy.

I still think Rambo could've handled his business in Mexico instead waiting for the mob to follow him back home.
It was like the entire plot revolved around his ranch and his astounding underground doomsday bunker.

But, that doomsday bunker was cool as shit.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

but I think it would still be in the running for the best movie Van Damme / Seagal etc. ever made.

Damme has classics that shit on Rambo 3

How dare you

 

[BisexualMMA]

Damme has classics that shit on Rambo 3

How dare you

I enjoy a good old Van Damme movie, no doubt about it. But I still think that if Van Damme had come out with Rambo 3 in the late 80s, about some other retired soldier (a la John Matrix) pulled back into action, and we got the exact same movie with Van Damme giving an acting performance equal to Stallone in Rambo 3, it would be hailed as one of Van Damme's great classics.

Rambo 3 came on the heels of 1 and 2, so it gets crapped on, just like Rocky 5. But being bad for a Rambo or Rocky movie still leaves a fair bit of room to be good.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

I enjoyed the movie but the actors other than Stallone was horrible. Producers probably ran out of money so gave the roles to amateurs. @BisexualMMA @HI SCOTT NEWMAN

3/10 and thats being very fair. Rambo 2 was awesome and some of the other Rambo's were much better too

 

[tank666]

Last Blood sucked and I am a massive Rambo fan. It just didn't feel like Rambo, he didn't even look like Rambo. Has anyone seen the extended version with 12 minutes extra? I actually hoped it would be a fitting finale so was bitterly disappointed. We need one more asap as he isn't getting any younger. Then Rambo 5 will be just like Rocky 5, the one you ignore and pretend never happened.

 

[barca2012]

That is way off from how I would rank them.

5. Rambo III
4. Rambo: First Blood Part II
3. Rambo (IV)
2. Rambo: Last Blood
1. First Blood

You have bad tastes dude.....

 

[Philo-Publius]

You have bad tastes dude.....

Nope. You only see things through your own prism, and your tastes lack substance.

 

[the ambush]

I just saw the 5th for the very first time. Could a reasonable person develop something more ridiculous than his booby trapped farm/tunnel? I did not think it was bad by any stretch of the imagination yet I find the whole one-man-made booby trapped farm/tunnel system pretty fucking far fetched and unrealistic. I was not overly-impressed by the 4th but I think I enjoyed it over the 5th

 

[mmafan2000]

Talk about milking a franchise. What is he, 80?

 

[the ambush]

The 5th movie was unintentionally funny.

 

[Brandino]

I just saw the 5th for the very first time. Could a reasonable person develop something more ridiculous than his booby trapped farm/tunnel? I did not think it was bad by any stretch of the imagination yet I find the whole one-man-made booby trapped farm/tunnel system pretty fucking far fetched and unrealistic. I was not overly-impressed by the 4th but I think I enjoyed it over the 5th

It was really silly... felt like home alone.

 

[Brandino]

The last movie was terrible and very mediocre and I'm far from being a snow flake.

To put it in perspective... I went to the theatre to watch Rambo 4 and during the big action scene at the end where he is mowing everyone down people were cheering loudly and going nuts. After the movie everoyne was saying how awesome the movie was.

In Rambo 5 some people left the movie midway and at the end it was dead quiet with most guys saying "That wasn't good".

I disliked the last movie because the movie was really short, plot bounced around way to much and if you are going to have unrealistic scenes like the previous movies... at least make them somewhat stimulating to watch.

The movie wasn't a 1/10 type of movie but it's definitely generic low budget action movie that I saw a million times when I worked at Blockbuster and would take home all the direct to dvd released circa 2000 - 2003ish.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Talk about milking a franchise. What is he, 80?

74. Gotta respect the dude.



BTW.. this movie was trash and LOL at TS wife screaming at the movies.

 

[the ambush]

The last movie was terrible and very mediocre and I'm far from being a snow flake.

To put it in perspective... I went to the theatre to watch Rambo 4 and during the big action scene at the end where he is mowing everyone down people were cheering loudly and going nuts. After the movie everoyne was saying how awesome the movie was.

In Rambo 5 some people left the movie midway and at the end it was dead quiet with most guys saying "That wasn't good".

I disliked the last movie because the movie was really short, plot bounced around way to much and if you are going to have unrealistic scenes like the previous movies... at least make them somewhat stimulating to watch.

The movie wasn't a 1/10 type of movie but it's definitely generic low budget action movie that I saw a million times when I worked at Blockbuster and would take home all the direct to dvd released circa 2000 - 2003ish.

I think I am in the same ball park. I felt as if the 4th was more of a true Rambo movie and actually prefer it to the 5th. The 5th lacked creative storytelling, it was insulting to the viewer's intelligence how basic the plot was.

 

[RollSonnenRoll]

The last movie was terrible and very mediocre and I'm far from being a snow flake.

To put it in perspective... I went to the theatre to watch Rambo 4 and during the big action scene at the end where he is mowing everyone down people were cheering loudly and going nuts. After the movie everoyne was saying how awesome the movie was.

In Rambo 5 some people left the movie midway and at the end it was dead quiet with most guys saying "That wasn't good".

I disliked the last movie because the movie was really short, plot bounced around way to much and if you are going to have unrealistic scenes like the previous movies... at least make them somewhat stimulating to watch.

The movie wasn't a 1/10 type of movie but it's definitely generic low budget action movie that I saw a million times when I worked at Blockbuster and would take home all the direct to dvd released circa 2000 - 2003ish.

I think I am in the same ball park. I felt as if the 4th was more of a true Rambo movie and actually prefer it to the 5th. The last one lacked serious creative storytelling, it was insulting to the viewer's intelligence how basic the plot was.

I agree that it just felt generic and vanilla. It wasn’t a Rambo movie, it could have been any of the low budget action movies he did between the mid 90’s and Expendables. I just didn’t feel like I was watching John Rambo when I did for part 4.