Ralphie May is Dead

Oh you love it!

NAh

I really enjoyed this comedian and thought he was great and I found out by sherdog, but reading through some tasteless comments is too much

Just say RIP and move the fuck on, why does everyone have to be an asshole or use a death thread as a comedy platform?

I dunno, I know it's sherdog and all but like @jeicex said ... what the fuck - a lot of posts should be deleted tbh
 
I'm lucky that I havent had weight problems.


Lazy fat people are annoying, but when you're that big there's likely some genetic disposition.

Ive got a friend who's been huge since we were kids. He walks everywhere and doesn't even eat any more than a normal person. Obesity is a bitch


RIP funny guy
It's not his fault he's fat, he just eats a lot!
 
And you're probably a bit fat

<Gordonhat>
quite the opposite actually. I was a trainer in college. Its just ignorant to assume that everyone has an equal playing field when it comes to get losing weight. majority of it is genetics. then there are hormonal imbalances to take into factor.

its not just "Oh, if you're fat its your fault." this is the case for many people but not all
 
ralphie was a great comedian. i had a lot of sleepless / stressful nights where i'd watch his bits and he'd make me laugh.

losing good comedians, to me, is always like a small piece of the world goes with them.
 
NAh

I really enjoyed this comedian and thought he was great and I found out by sherdog, but reading through some tasteless comments is too much

Just say RIP and move the fuck on, why does everyone have to be an asshole or use a death thread as a comedy platform?

I dunno, I know it's sherdog and all but like @jeicex said ... what the fuck - a lot of posts should be deleted tbh

Seriously, there's a time and place for jokes. Making fun of or insulting a rather nice person that just died is kind of sleazy.
 
Too bad, he was a funny guy. Good on the roast battles. In all honesty though, I'm surprised he made it this long.

RIP Ralphie. Thanks for the laughs.
 
People couldn't even wait for the guy to be put in the ground, before talking shit about him. Yeah he was very overweight, and now he's dead. I get it he made bad choices, but he already paid the ultimate price for them.

He was in a car accident when he was a kid, it broke every bone in his body and took forever to recover. He got super obese and sedentary and combined with the pain, you can see how it happened.
 
I realize you are not going to agree with it being as simple as calories in vs calories out so i will reply one last time to avoid any circular arguments.

It isn't just calories in, calories out. Once you build fat cells, they're there for life. They shrink but they're there, and they fill up again quickly. Seriously. This is really important and everyone just ignores it because they think it's voodoo magic. You need a significant caloric deficit to shrink the cells, and a minor bump up to fill them up again.
You simply need a deficit or a surplus within any degree no matter how insignificant to go in either direction. The idea that its harder to lose weight then it is to gain it is ridiculous. If we actually do the math instead of speaking about it it takes a 500 calorie surplus spread over the week (3500 calories) to gain 1lb of fat and vice verca.

The math is not simple.
Yea it actually is but for some reason you, like most misinformed individuals, complicate it needlessly.

FYI, you don't need to eat a ton or be comatose to end up obese. You need to eat more than you burn. A small difference over time will get you.

You absolutely do need to eat a ton and be sedentary to become obese. There is no way around it. Your body likes to reach homeostasis, that small degree of surplus has to grow with the total amount of calories over time to continue weight gain.

As an example i myself am 186lbs, a rough estimation of my maintenance calories will put me at around 2,790 calories to stay where i am. If i want to gain at the rate of 1lb a week i simply add 500 calories to that which is 3,290. The more i grow the more my maintenance goes up and as a result my 500 calories surplus from when i was 186lbs is no longer gaining at the rate of 1lb a week but slightly less. by the time im 10lbs heavier my maintenance will have grown by about 200 calories and now i will be gaining at about half a lb a week. So basically that surplus NEEDS to grow with me (assuming all other variables like exercise and lean mass are constant) because eventually i will stall out and stop gaining weight. The only way i will gain more weight with the same calories is to expend less calories by either losing lean mass (which drops that maintenance substantially) or simply stop exercising.

My solution for obese people? Stop worrying about how you look or the fat you have. Worry about getting exercise and being healthy. Worry about eating as clean as possible.

They do not have the luxury of caring about how they look any more because by the end of the journey they will have about 100lbs of loose skin dangling around, What should stoke the fires a little bit is the idea that if they don't lose weight they will die. So yea im not sure telling these people not to worry is really a good angle to be taking here.

It's a fight very few people win. If you get there, awesome, but if not, keep exercising and eating clean. Being healthy should be your goal, not being thin. Have realistic expectations. The people I know who have succeeded in getting thin put in a pretty superhuman effort to get there. That probably shouldn't be the gold standard for most people, who don't have three or four hours a day to exercise.

Again im sorry i don't want to be argumentative but i do this for a living, i have been in this position myself and i cannot begin to tell you how misinformed and damaging this line of reasoning is. If you made someone who is obese exercise on the regular while still maintaining their ridiculous diet they WILL LOSE WEIGHT. with zero change in their diets they will lose a substantial amount. I fail to see how this is complex or requires some sort of super human effort in order to open your front door and go for a walk. The reason why this is damaging because parroting the fact that it's hard/complex/not as simple isn't true scientifically, is extremely discouraging and having a devil may care attitude about the correlation between health and body composition is puts them on the wrong path. Becoming thinner is paramount for their health and saying other wise is outright sabotage.
 
I realize you are not going to agree with it being as simple as calories in vs calories out so i will reply one last time to avoid any circular arguments.


You simply need a deficit or a surplus within any degree no matter how insignificant to go in either direction. The idea that its harder to lose weight then it is to gain it is ridiculous. If we actually do the math instead of speaking about it it takes a 500 calorie surplus spread over the week (3500 calories) to gain 1lb of fat and vice verca.


I didn't read anything past this point.

When you gain weight you create fat cells. These cells do not go away when you lose weight, they shrink. It is far more difficult to shrink them than it is to expand them. Once you have created the fat cells, you're in trouble.

I don't know how much more simple I can make it for you.

Believe what you want to believe. The bottom dollar is that less than five percent of people who are obese were able to lose weight and keep it off, and this is one of the main reasons. There are other reasons, but if you don't understand this one, you aren't going to understand.

Are you going out of your way to ignore this point? I've made it in half my posts. Here's an article explaining it. If Yale isn't enough to convince you I'll post ten more, but this one is simple and to the point.

YaleNews

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Once fat cells form, they might shrink during weight loss, but they do not disappear, a fact that has derailed many a diet. Yale researchers in the March 2 issue of the journal Nature Cell Biology describe how — and just how quickly — those fat cells are created in the first place.

Young mice fed an obesity-inducing diet fail to produce fat cells if they lack a key pathway involved in the sensing of nutrients, the study showed. In addition the new study also revealed that fat cell production starts within a day of starting a high-fat diet.

“In studying what happens before these animals become obese, we found that this fat-producing response occurs unbelievably quickly,” said Matthew Rodeheffer, assistant professor of comparative medicine and of molecular, cellular, and developmental biology, and senior author of the paper.

Weight gained is caused by the creation and expansion of white fat cells, or adipose tissue. Dieting can shrink fat cells but not eliminate them, which is why people can gain weight back so quickly. The Yale team found that the activation of a nutrient signaling pathway called PI3-kinase/AKT-2 was necessary to produce fat precursor cells, which in turn produce adipose tissue. Normal mice began producing these precursor cells within 24 hours of starting a high-fat diet.

Rodeheffer stressed that this pathway has other key functions, such as glucose regulation, and probably cannot be safely targeted in people.

“However, it may be possible to inhibit the generation of more fat cells in obesity and increase our understanding how dietary changes drive increased fat mass,” he said.

Primary funding for the work was provided by the National Institutes of Health.​
 
I didn't read anything past this point.

When you gain weight you create fat cells. These cells do not go away when you lose weight, they shrink. It is far more difficult to shrink them than it is to expand them. Once you have created the fat cells, you're in trouble.

I don't know how much more simple I can make it for you.

Believe what you want to believe. The bottom dollar is that less than five percent of people who are obese were able to lose weight and keep it off, and this is one of the main reasons. There are other reasons, but if you don't understand this one, you aren't going to understand.

Are you going out of your way to ignore this point? I've made it in half my posts. Here's an article explaining it. If Yale isn't enough to convince you I'll post ten more, but this one is simple and to the point.

YaleNews

YaleNews_213951781.jpg


Once fat cells form, they might shrink during weight loss, but they do not disappear, a fact that has derailed many a diet. Yale researchers in the March 2 issue of the journal Nature Cell Biology describe how — and just how quickly — those fat cells are created in the first place.

Young mice fed an obesity-inducing diet fail to produce fat cells if they lack a key pathway involved in the sensing of nutrients, the study showed. In addition the new study also revealed that fat cell production starts within a day of starting a high-fat diet.

“In studying what happens before these animals become obese, we found that this fat-producing response occurs unbelievably quickly,” said Matthew Rodeheffer, assistant professor of comparative medicine and of molecular, cellular, and developmental biology, and senior author of the paper.

Weight gained is caused by the creation and expansion of white fat cells, or adipose tissue. Dieting can shrink fat cells but not eliminate them, which is why people can gain weight back so quickly. The Yale team found that the activation of a nutrient signaling pathway called PI3-kinase/AKT-2 was necessary to produce fat precursor cells, which in turn produce adipose tissue. Normal mice began producing these precursor cells within 24 hours of starting a high-fat diet.

Rodeheffer stressed that this pathway has other key functions, such as glucose regulation, and probably cannot be safely targeted in people.

“However, it may be possible to inhibit the generation of more fat cells in obesity and increase our understanding how dietary changes drive increased fat mass,” he said.

Primary funding for the work was provided by the National Institutes of Health.​

Im not addressing this because its not as significant as you think it is. The escalation of newly created fat cells does not some how make one by pass the laws we all adhere too. So you are more then welcome to bury your head in these articles all day but what would be highly entertaining, if you could indulge us all, is if you could actually explain the article and it's actual significance here. Because i have a feeling you may not actually understand it yourself.
 
Wow shocker guy who is literally 300-pounds overweight doesn't make it to 50.

I lost respect for Ralphie when he was apart of a roast contest (I believe Jeff Ross' one) and then apparently flipped out and quit and was mad at the people involved after some dude made fun of how fat he was the whole time and he got super butthurt. Like what did you expect?

Like you're a comedian if you can't take it don't be a fat fucker. There's something that irks me about people who make their career off comedy and making fun of things/people but then flip their lid when it's turned on them.
 
Im not addressing this because its not as significant as you think it is. The escalation of newly created fat cells does not some how make one by pass the laws we all adhere too. So you are more then welcome to bury your head in these articles all day but what would be highly entertaining, if you could indulge us all, is if you could actually explain the article and it's actual significance here. Because i have a feeling you may not actually understand it yourself.

All the articles, then. So what you're saying is that you're right, and science is wrong. I'm not burying my head, and I'm reading every article I can find, and they all say the same things.

I've posted what, a half dozen articles in this thread? Nobody (including you) has bothered to address them on any level except to dismiss them.

I've been incredibly clear about what I think these articles are saying. I've been incredibly clear regarding my point. I've also been clear about what I think people should do, which is exactly what you think people should do, all I'm saying is that people shouldn't have unrealistic expectations and get discouraged. They should focus on eating properly, getting exercise, and feeling healthy. The goal shouldn't be to have a thin build, because as every single study indicates, that is almost certainly not going to happen if you're obese.

I went back and looked at your last post. You said

So yea im not sure telling these people not to worry is really a good angle to be taking here.

as a reply to my saying

Worry about getting exercise and being healthy. Worry about eating as clean as possible.

which sounds like you don't think getting exercise and eating properly is the right approach.
 
All the articles, then. So what you're saying is that you're right, and science is wrong
You are not only confusing those around you but yourself at this point. This makes sense since you ignored most of my last post.

I've posted what, a half dozen articles in this thread? Nobody (including you) has bothered to address them on any level except to dismiss them.
I just addressed the insignificance of your last article and apparently your inability to articulate it as you keep dancing around the question. It's not my fault you do not like the answer.

I've been incredibly clear about what I think these articles are saying. I've been incredibly clear regarding my point.
I want you to be clear about the last article you posted and to articulate why it's significant. When i ask you to do this im not asking you to tell me how you have already been clear, that does nothing.
 
You are not only confusing those around you but yourself at this point. This makes sense since you ignored most of my last post.


I just addressed the insignificance of your last article and apparently your inability to articulate it as you keep dancing around the question. It's not my fault you do not like the answer.


I want you to be clear about the last article you posted and to articulate why it's significant. When i ask you to do this im not asking you to tell me how you have already been clear, that does nothing.

Yep, we're done here. I've articulated that article a half dozen times in this thread. Fat cells don't go away. Once they're there, you gain weight much more quickly. I can't put it any simpler.

Go ahead and say Yale is wrong or that I have somehow misunderstood this sentence:

"Dieting can shrink fat cells but not eliminate them, which is why people can gain weight back so quickly."
 
Yep, we're done here. I've articulated that article a half dozen times in this thread. Fat cells don't go away. Once they're there, you gain weight much more quickly. I can't put it any simpler.

Go ahead and say Yale is wrong or that I have somehow misunderstood this sentence:

"Dieting can shrink fat cells but not eliminate them, which is why people can gain weight back so quickly."
Or one could think of an increased number of fat cells being associated with all of the physiology that leads one's body to take excess calories and preferentially turn them into actual body fat as opposed to skeletal muscle. Most people are stoked to add lean body mass.
 
NAh

I really enjoyed this comedian and thought he was great and I found out by sherdog, but reading through some tasteless comments is too much

Just say RIP and move the fuck on, why does everyone have to be an asshole or use a death thread as a comedy platform?

I dunno, I know it's sherdog and all but like @jeicex said ... what the fuck - a lot of posts should be deleted tbh
This place is filled with tasteless comments. I just wonder how some people decide what gets their goat, and what doesn’t. It’s interesting to see some get angry about certain posts, and not with others. It’s weird.
 
Or one could think of an increased number of fat cells being associated with all of the physiology that leads one's body to take excess calories and preferentially turn them into actual body fat as opposed to skeletal muscle. Most people are stoked to add lean body mass.

If wishes were fishes.
 
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