Opinion Radical left vs Radical Right poll

[Jack V Savage]

Ok, let me address some of your points.

1. Fair enough to admit you a radical. You don't pretend you are something else. I appreciate that. That might mean what ever I say you will probably ignore. But I'll give it a shot.

2. It's impossible to abolish capitalism. It's simply too effective a system to remove. Countries compete, leverage insensitive, reward hard work, supply and demand and has proven to be the best production system the world has ever soon. Good luck my radical friend. It's like trying to abolish democracy. Won't happen. Put your energies into more useful things. Like maybe trying to amend it. Look at it's criticisms and come up with a solution. When you say you want to abolish it people will think you are a clown.

3. What do you want to replace capitalism with? Sigh...i dread to ask this question, but I'll bite. Marxism? It's only killed 25 million people in the 20th century though starvation and wars. But go ahead, tell me.

4. yes, because something is radical doesn't make it bad. Its the end goal that the radicals want that scares people.

If it's impossible to abolish capitalism (I more or less agree with you there), why would you be more worried about people who want to abolish capitalism than people who are fighting against a modern, scientific outlook and against democracy? Especially when they're already in control of most of the levers of power in our gov't.

 

[BForrester]

Buildings blowing up? Really? We're going back to 1995?

How about let's take a look at Portland, Kenosha, Philadelphia, NYC, st. Louis and countless other cities that have seen countless days of protests and riots.

Protests vs. Mass shooting...

Militia members were plotting the kidnap of elected officials, ffs!

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Protests vs. Mass shooting...

Militia members were plotting the kidnap of elected officials, ffs!

Mass shootings? Since when? Dylan roof or that bumper sticker dude?

Since CHOP/CHAZ? Or that guy in Portland?

Who has caused more destruction and carnage the last 7 or so months...
Let's be honest here

 

[BForrester]

Mass shootings? Since when? Dylan roof or that bumper sticker dude?

Since CHOP/CHAZ? Or that guy in Portland?

Who has caused more destruction and carnage the last 7 or so months...
Let's be honest here

What, you just want to limit to the last 7 months? Mighty cherry-picky, isn't it? Afraid if we look at a few recent years it'll start to reflect a bit more poorly on the radical right?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

What, you just want to limit to the last 7 months? Mighty cherry-picky, isn't it? Afraid if we look at a few recent years it'll start to reflect a bit more poorly on the radical right?

Fair enough.

All in all I deplore violence, and politically motivated violence regardless of who is committing it should be condemned by all reasonable people.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Buildings blowing up? Really? We're going back to 1995?

How about let's take a look at Portland, Kenosha, Philadelphia, NYC, st. Louis and countless other cities that have seen countless days of protests and riots.

Sure. Let’s minimize over 150 deaths. White knighting right wing radicals. Hilarious.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Sure. Let’s minimize over 150 deaths. White knighting right wing radicals. Hilarious.

It's pretty sickening the way these guys do that. Murder isn't political violence, but non-violent civil disobedience is.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Sure. Let’s minimize over 150 deaths. White knighting right wing radicals. Hilarious.

Ok, never mind. Looks like you're not interested in honest discourse either.

Good night to you.

 

[Oxycodone]

Ok, never mind. Looks like you're not interested in honest discourse either.

Good night to you.

What a rage-quitter.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Ok, never mind. Looks like you're not interested in honest discourse either.

Good night to you.

You are the one who skipped over mass shootings. There was a mass shooting last year against latinos. But you took my 95 example. You mentioned riots and protests. If you think that is worse than attacks against latinos, attacks at synagogues, I guess ya, good night.

 

[mmafan2000]

If it's impossible to abolish capitalism (I more or less agree with you there), why would you be more worried about people who want to abolish capitalism than people who are fighting against a modern, scientific outlook and against democracy? Especially when they're already in control of most of the levers of power in our gov't.

You can worry about both at the same time. It's not binary, nothing in politics is. Attack on science is done by all sides with funding power and vested interests. For US democracy it's just a man who is on his way out. Most republicans are against him now and telling him to hang up the wig. It's curtains and on January 20th all power will be transferred over. He'll be escorted out faster than you can say democracy. That doesn't have anything to do with capitalism, which was my question to the guy who has yet to provide an alternative and share his dystopia.

 

[blaseblah]

PS you haven't answered my question. please answer without deflecting or whatabouism.

do you think what we are seeing in Portland in terms of protesting/looting/rioting/property destruction is mostly being committed by:

1) homeless
2) gangbangers
3) Right wing groups
4) Left wing groups.

https://www.koin.com/news/crime/records-suspect-arrested-at-protest-one-week-before-deadly-stabbing/

PS you haven't answered my question. please answer without deflecting or whatabouism.

do you think what we are seeing in Portland in terms of protesting/looting/rioting/property destruction is mostly being committed by:

1) homeless
2) gangbangers
3) Right wing groups
4) Left wing groups.

In Portland the majority lean left. But you keep pushing the narrative that all the violence is coming from the left. You blamed David Dorn on the left. You blamed the two cops who were murdered in Oakland on the left. You've done this over and over and take no accountability when you are wrong. You're purely here to be a partisan hack.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

https://www.koin.com/news/crime/records-suspect-arrested-at-protest-one-week-before-deadly-stabbing/


In Portland the majority lean left. But you keep pushing the narrative that all the violence is coming from the left. You blamed David Dorn on the left. You blamed the two cops who were murdered in Oakland on the left. You've done this over and over and take no accountability when you are wrong. You're purely here to be a partisan hack.

Lies, bull shit and ad hominems. Again, if you can't be honest don't waste my time

We're done here.

 

[blaseblah]

Lies, bull shit and ad hominems. Again, if you can't be honest don't waste my time

We're done here.

You want me to go drag up your posts, hack? You've been gaslighting all year.

 

[ElijahWood]

Left getting a dose of reality in the poll as usual.

 

[danny23]

Both are horrible, equally.

Far right nationalism caused the two world wars, so in the West it was worse and caused the most damage. We didn’t have to face the worst far left communism had to offer though. But those in the East did, so for them it will be worse. As seen in East Asia post WW2.
It’s like picking your poison, there’s few differences and more in common in the totalitarian regimes of Stalin’s USSR and Hitler’s Nazi Germany.

 

[Allosaurus Fragillis]

Ok, let me address some of your points.

1. Fair enough to admit you a radical. You don't pretend you are something else. I appreciate that. That might mean what ever I say you will probably ignore. But I'll give it a shot.

2. It's impossible to abolish capitalism. It's simply too effective a system to remove. Countries compete, leverage insensitive, reward hard work, supply and demand and has proven to be the best production system the world has ever soon. Good luck my radical friend. It's like trying to abolish democracy. Won't happen. Put your energies into more useful things. Like maybe trying to amend it. Look at it's criticisms and come up with a solution. When you say you want to abolish it people will think you are a clown.

3. What do you want to replace capitalism with? Sigh...i dread to ask this question, but I'll bite. Marxism? It's only killed 25 million people in the 20th century though starvation and wars. But go ahead, tell me.

4. yes, because something is radical doesn't make it bad. Its the end goal that the radicals want that scares people.

1. I think a lot of radicals (whether they are on the right or the left) are afraid to admit that they are radicals. I know what I am and I'm not ashamed of it. I'm probably too convinced that my ideology is correct, or "too far gone" in your eyes, for you to be able to change my mind. But I'm still willing to listen to people who have different views than me. So maybe you can change my mind, or perhaps, I can change your's.
2. Perhaps you're right, but hey, that doesn't mean I can't try to abolish capitalism anyway, right? After all, if I truly believe that my ideology is correct (which I do) then I should continue to fight and advocate for it. Even if no one agrees with me, or if they do think I'm a clown. I'm sure that in the 1800s, abolitionists were told that abolishing slavery was impossible. Yet it still happened. And ironically it's the far-right who want to abolish democracy, since they want the courts to just hand Trump the election.
3. As I said I'm a socialist. Marxism technically isn't a political ideology itself, rather it is a tool that leftists use to analyze and critique capitalism. Notice that there is no Marxist parties or governments. Marxism encompasses many different political ideologies and schools of thought, and not all Marxists believe the same thing. But yes, I think it would be fair to call me a Marxist. I have read some of Marx's work, and I did agree with most of the things said in them. But remember not all Marxists believe the same thing. Just because I'm a Marxist, that doesn't mean I have the same ideology as the likes of Stalin or Mao. Nor would I ever attempt to justify the atrocities that those men committed.
4. Well I agree with you there, that's why we have to educate people and make them realize that not all radicals are bad. Nor are all radical ideas bad. That's the reason why I had an issue with your black and white framing of everything. It lacked subtlety and nuance.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

It's an absurd comparison.
Rightwingers have a problem with thinking that all opinions and "facts" are just as valid as anyone else's. They aren't. There are stupid opinions that have no place in intelligent discussion. There is not a middle ground or "2 sides" to every argument.
And not everything is black and white or an apples to apples comparison.

The OP's framing of the left wing issues are from right wing framing---and the rightwing often don't know what the hell they are talking about when it comes to what, how, and why left wingers think about a number of issues.
The most popular rightwing pundits seriously go on TV and say that "the left does _____ because they HATE America"
Words can't even begin to describe how stupid and childish of an argument and analysis that is.

What you call "radical" left is normal in a lot of other developed nations and they haven't turned into Stalingrad.
A radical right that puts their personal feelings, money, blind patriotism, ideas of freedom, documents from 200 years ago, and their religion over the lives, health , and freedom of the rest of the world is infinitely more dangerous.
When "muh freedoms" and personal religious beliefs hinders science, the environment, and the progress of humanity, yeah, you are unquestionably apart of a worse group.
These other social and cultural issues about transgenders and whether or not reparations should happen are not remotely comparable problems.

 

[Allosaurus Fragillis]

If it's impossible to abolish capitalism (I more or less agree with you there), why would you be more worried about people who want to abolish capitalism than people who are fighting against a modern, scientific outlook and against democracy? Especially when they're already in control of most of the levers of power in our gov't.

Almost nothing is impossible when it comes to politics, hell, you don't even have to go back hundreds of years ago like I did earlier to see that. If you went back a mere 5 years ago and you told people that not only would Donald Trump be president, but he would attempt a coup and try to destroy democracy they would laugh in your face. Yet here we are. And if you went back 15 years ago and you said that a black man (well, technically a mixed race man, but close enough in the eyes of most Americans) would be elected president and that gay marriage would become legal in this country no one would have believed you. Yet both of those things happened within a decade, and when it comes to Obama getting elected it happened only 3 years later. Lots of things seem impossible, until they happen. I admit that it is unlikely that capitalism will be abolished in my lifetime, but that doesn't mean it will never happen. If it won't happen now, then perhaps it will happen 50, 70, or even 100 years from now. Who knows, but my point is, if so much can change in 5 years then what makes you think that even more drastic change can't happen in a century?

 

[BForrester]

Left getting a dose of reality in the poll as usual.

Because it's Sherfront and most of the posters around here are right-leaning.