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Economy "Radical" Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

AlexDB9 said:
Hmm that’s not how I took her comment at all, but she seems very educated, very informed.....
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It's funny how Ocasio-Cortez is being treated so "unfairly," but there was no forgiveness for any of Sarah Palin's gafs. She was raked over the coals.
 
Trotsky said:
What other way is there to take it?

She said "we can take back all three chambers of government: the House, Senate, and the Presidency." (Paraphrasing obviously)
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“All three chambers of Congress...I mean all three chambers of government....I mean the house, senate, and the presidency” a highly educated individual like you pointed out would not make these type of mistakes much less post the video after making them. Before you say it’s nitpicking she hasn’t exactly shown to be the magna cum laude graduate you have noted so far. I graduated with high honors as well in psychology but I don’t brag about that haha since it was a very easy second degree. Anyways my point is she doesn’t sound informed/educated and has pie in the sky dreams. Until she proves otherwise it’s funny to White Knight her on this issue
 
fonzob1 said:
It's funny how Ocasio-Cortez is being treated so "unfairly," but there was no forgiveness for any of Sarah Palin's gafs. She was raked over the coals.
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Yeah but she’s not a social democrat and instagrams so it’s aight
 
Hunter Simpson said:
{<huh}
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Hey . . . you started this crap whining about the "everyone" needing to buy a new car comment and then droned on about public transportation and people never needing to own a car in large cities.

Thought the point was pretty simple, but if you don't get it . . . . <Varys01>
 
Darth_Inv1ctu5 said:
Someone wrote an article recently about capping wealth at 500mil and I totally agree with you that. There's no reason why any one person should own more than that in assets. This is kind of similar, but not the same. I think people would be pissed but 5 mil is a shitton of money
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$500 mill in total assets or annual income? While you might think there is no reason one person should own that much or more are we really going to start telling them they can't?
 
kpt018 said:
Not a good answer at all.
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How about President Trumps answer to how 1.9 trillion dollar tax cut was going to be paid for? He really just cut an pasted the whole trickle down economics line will created new tax revenue. Do you really believe the situation is better post tax break?

Yes the number of employed has improved but there are questions about wages is still being questioned an is the economy on a stable footing.

I believe the idea of reducing our use of petroleum is a national security issue as well as setting a course for the future. She talks about a 12 year timeline overly optimistic yes but you shoot for Mars an hope you get to the moon.

There are ways these things get paid for with a little additional pain like slight tax increase vs paying 7500 a year for coverage.

I heard a national health care plan would cost around 200 to 400 per month per person vs around 500 to 800 per month or more per person from an insurance provider.

There are ways to reduce these numbers by negotiating fair drug prices an rates business charges. Right now due to government policies we are limited in how to address these issues. AOC is going to have to do a better job selling it but Anderson Copper is no friend to progressive efforts.
 
KeepItRealist said:
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I noticed this too. Ford has been a lifelong liberal professor and activist and people still about being touched at her obvious dramatic acting and baby voice during her testimony.
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What was more startling was that this worked (assuming Ford was acting) ...so many immediately sided with her during her testimony.
 
Cooper straight up told her she's a liar and she admitted it saying she's morally right tho.
What a lunatic.
 
PEB said:
How about President Trumps answer to how 1.9 trillion dollar tax cut was going to be paid for? He really just cut an pasted the whole trickle down economics line will created new tax revenue. Do you really believe the situation is better post tax break?
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You'll be hard pressed to find a poster that thinks less of the president than I do. And I've created multiple threads criticizing the tax cuts bill.

Tax cuts are projected to increase deficits by $2T over 10 years and obviously corporate cuts are permanent. So restoring tax brackets to pre-cut levels would hardly put a dent in the medicare-for-all proposal.

And just for the record yeah, I think spending on medicare is a far better spend than on tax cuts for primarily rich dudes and large corporations. That doesn't make her answer adequate, through. Far from it.

Yes the number of employed has improved but there are questions about wages is still being questioned an is the economy on a stable footing.
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Agreed. Inequality is still a problem and could certainly get worse. I generally support policy that combats that.

I believe the idea of reducing our use of petroleum is a national security issue as well as setting a course for the future. She talks about a 12 year timeline overly optimistic yes but you shoot for Mars an hope you get to the moon.
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I'm a big proponent of strong action on climate change, but I'm hardly an expert so I'll leave solutions to people who know what the hell they're talking about. But I'm all for it. The sort of high level piece that's missing from her proposal is that we need to get the planet on board, which requires complicated deals. That may include keeping and strengthening trade agreements, which her types hate. Again, this is out of my league but we can't make a dent in the problem with getting countries like China, India, any other emerging countries, etc. also getting on board.

There are ways these things get paid for with a little additional pain like slight tax increase vs paying 7500 a year for coverage.

I heard a national health care plan would cost around 200 to 400 per month per person vs around 500 to 800 per month or more per person from an insurance provider.

There are ways to reduce these numbers by negotiating fair drug prices an rates business charges. Right now due to government policies we are limited in how to address these issues. AOC is going to have to do a better job selling it but Anderson Copper is no friend to progressive efforts.
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I was initially on the universal healthcare train, then skeptical, but now I'm on the "it's looking like the best option forward train" again. I'm completely open to working through policy that makes it feasible. But what doesn't help the conversation is when proponents of said policy cannot answer questions like this. You've literally just given a better answer than she did. If she can't articulate the proposal then she's not the best messenger.

The best answer is that there are studies that show medicare-for-all would reduce net healthcare spending, therefore making it cheaper for the vast majority of people. Instead she whined about Republican policy and lack of criticism (which also isn't true).
 
spamking said:
Hey . . . you started this crap whining about the "everyone" needing to buy a new car comment and then droned on about public transportation and people never needing to own a car in large cities.

Thought the point was pretty simple, but if you don't get it . . . . <Varys01>
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No, I didn't, sport. Look back in the thread at the person I quoted. And I wasn't whining, I was pointing out a logical fallacy. And then you chose to white knight for the person and introduce yet more logical fallacy. And now you are misrepresenting what I said. This is like the troll handbook in action.

He said everyone will need to own a new car in 12 years, "because that's the only way it works." And again, I say, ridiculous. That assumes no one will do anything whatsoever differently than they do today, other than replace their car.
 
This:

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I noticed this too. Ford has been a lifelong liberal professor and activist and people still talk about being touched at her obvious dramatic acting and baby voice during her testimony.
 
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She 100% fits the role in the Bill Burr bit about "Guys won't tell an attractive woman they're wrong , because they're always trying to fuck them."
 
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Hunter Simpson said:
No, I didn't, sport. Look back in the thread at the person I quoted. And I wasn't whining, I was pointing out a logical fallacy. And then you chose to white knight for the person and introduce yet more logical fallacy. And now you are misrepresenting what I said. This is like the troll handbook in action.
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Tried to reply earlier, but I guess there were some forum issues . . . anyway, you call it pointing out a logical fallacy I called it whining. And no, I wasn't white knighting for anyone . . . good grief that's a stupid thing to say.

I think you very well knew what he meant by "everyone would need a new car" but you chose to make a mountain out of that molehill.

He said everyone will need to own a new car in 12 years, "because that's the only way it works." And again, I say, ridiculous. That assumes no one will do anything whatsoever differently than they do today, other than replace their car.
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Well I can tell you that folks not living in a large city with public transportation won't do much different than today . . . and many would stick with their gas guzzler for as long as possible.
 
We're now comparing AOC to Sarah Palin and claiming she "infantilizes her voice" in an attempt to portray a childlike persona.

Fuck, this thread went from funny, to pathetic, to nauseating like a bat out of hell.
 
ShadowRun said:


lol lol
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How do Murkans pay for handing over 900 quadrillion dollars to the Pentagon to flush away?

How the fvk do they find money to pay 500$ monthly premiums for health insurance with a 2000$ deductible? (hory zhit!)

How the fvk do they come up with millions of dollars for a go fund me for a wall that will never go anywhere?
 
This chic is dumber than a bag of dog food, but I'd still give it to her.
I can see that she's going to work out quite well for the Lefties.
 
fonzob1 said:
It's funny how Ocasio-Cortez is being treated so "unfairly," but there was no forgiveness for any of Sarah Palin's gafs. She was raked over the coals.
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Snl made fun of her every week and she had a porn named after her

But pointing out she’s stupid is racist sexist kkk
 
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