Racism and Faithism are interlinked.

[godking]

we can falsely shit on any religious leader or prophet or text including christianity. you choose to shit on their one, because you dont like them. but the fact you dont like them has nothing to do with your supposed merits, as there is nothing exceptionally evil about islam. its just another religion, that you dont like for not being your one.

He said nothing which is not factually correct. Everybody has prejudices against who they see as the other. Some for good reason. And that includes YOU.

 

[seiger]

He said nothing which is not factually correct. Everybody has prejudices against who they see as the other. Some for good reason. And that includes YOU.

its not even a fact that jesus existed. not everyone goes out of their way to otherise people. its a low intelligence act. a lot of the people associated with religious bigotry arent that intelligent.

 

[seiger]

Everything I just said is true.... You seriously don't know shit.

Muhammad was a warlord
Muhammad beat his wives
Muhammad fucked kids (Aisha was 9 years old when they conceived.)

You should learn about Islam before you steadfastly defend it.

source your accusations and well examine them for veracity and compare it to other religions to see if islam is exceptional.

 

[seiger]

Islam ruined Arabic culture. A once great people at the cutting edge of science, especially medicine and astronomy, turned into mindless drones because of faith. Fantastic architects as well. Quite frankly that religion needs to evolve fast or fuck off. Absolutely crippling to intellectual pursuit. I dont hate anyone but I have issue with violence and those that desire to dominate regardless of colour or creed.

christianity genocided 3 continents. literally wiped out and raped the people of north america, south america and australia.

both moses and jesus supported s and jesus was son of a 90 year old man who married a child.

christians have been raping kids, beating wives and slaving and war mongering since constantine envisaged a cross on his shield and resurrected the religion from obscurity in the first place.

having a nice little cult to tell yourself you are better than people, and then using this conceit as a justification for othering them and genocide is pure christian hypocrisy, bullshit and every bit in line with the worst aspects of christian culture.

holier than thou priests with their hands down the pants of little boys who trusted them.

gtfo.

you genocided 3 continents bro. and an atomic bomb. and industrialised slavery. and wife beating, rape of south america, it goes on.

even now the rancid scum dripping off the anti islamic posters is completely out of line with what christianity preaches and completely in line with the examples actually set by so called Christians for 2 millennia.

 

[seiger]

 

[seiger]

Are they?

12 Muslim nations have laws that make homosexuality a crime punishable by death. Over 100 million people live there in those countries. Even in countries where homosexuality is decriminalized, gays are victims if violence frequently.

It's the religion dude. The culture surrounding Islam is easily 100's of years behind the rest of the civilized world in their thinking and beliefs.

Again I stress you learn about Islam before blindly defending it at every turn.

how many muslim nations dont?

what percentage of muslims is 100 mill?

why does america support these nations?

you dont represent the civilised world. please expound on the ACR attitude to gays?

you are so full of shit its hilarious.

attacking muslims, because they are part of a faith group with some values that conflict with progressive secular liberal western values, is ridiculous and disingenuous.

i suggest you get real about what faith groups are and stop thinking you have carte blanch to attack strangers.

 

[glennrod]

Has ANY of Siegers threads ever ended without him looking like a dunce?. This guy seems like some kind of masochist

 

[Factory]

Not a problem with skin color here.
But I admit it, I have a huge problem with Islam and I guarantee you - most people who are against immigration think like that.

If you come in my country and if you rise the same flag as me, if you define yourself as a German in the first instance - you are my brother.

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If you rise a foreign flag in my country, if you define yourself as a Muslim in the first instance - you are not welcomed.

so called "German"-Turks in Germany

 

[Kframe]

yes, because they are here successfully integrated every fucking day. focusing on outliers does not disprove this. it just highlights how rare it is.

If it is one thing Seiger you have managed to do, is at least force me to acknowledge that I have not ever really met any of the muslims of my own City. We have a few thousand in the totality of the surrounding county, so they are a very small minority. Given that, I am willing to acknowledge that you may indeed be correct in that many are integrated.

Looking at it, in recent history, many of the Muslim attacks, but not all were done by 2nd and 3rd generation muslims. I find that a far more interesting factoid, a question I would love to understand. It seems that most 1st generation muslims, outside a few notables here(San Bernardino), seem to be ok.

So sure they have mostly integrated, and I can only base that on the fact that my own city has not been Snackbarred yet. But I can not help but look at their native countries, and note how oppressive they are.. Gays are still stoned in the ME, and even in the countries were they are not illegal, they still face violence from the populace. Rape victims are still convicted and murdered. I still see many, if not most of those countries with repressive laws most of which are likely bastardizations of their holy texts. (One of the Islamic websites said that countries that stone rape victims are lacking in compassion)

I see areas of the ME full of wealth and prosperity, and then just outside the city walls, you have such overwhelming poverty.

I wonder Seiger, if you realize how much people like my family and I actually wish to visit the ME for the history. So much history, but it is not safe to go there. I will not take my wife and daughter someplace that fundamentally disrespects them, and forces them to wear their religious garb. Were they can be attacked and raped at the slightest whim, and even if I am there, what the hell will I be able to do against a crowd if Muslim rapists? Not a damn thing. At least here in my state, I know were not to go, were to go, and it generally works.. South side of my city literally has 3x the murder and violent crime rate as the north side, and what's fucked up is its not a black only zone but pretty mixed.. So prudence says I don't ever go downtown, and if I do, I carry my m15-3 with Safariland loaders.(They are really good, don't have to twist a knob to drop the cartridges).

But it is far easier to avoid the downtown and southside, despite my mayor spending millions of tax dollars renovating down town into some kind of attraction.. Clubs, restaurants, a new baseball stadium, high price condo's. Yet why in gods name would I go someplace that is 3x as violent as the Northside?(which has everything I want, other then a ball diamond.)

I really do not have any such ability to discern where and whom is safe with places in the ME. Same goes for the people.. We get story after story of people who lived there for years peacefully just going snackbar and killing people in the name of Allah. If one can not tell the terrorists from the good guys, how am I going to develop any form of trust for them as a people?

It's because I don't trust them, and can't easily tell friend or foe at a glance that I distrust them all, even fear them. At least with white racists, like the Aryan Nation, it is easy to spot them.

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

source your accusations and well examine them for veracity and compare it to other religions to see if islam is exceptional.

It's not too hard to find if you bother to look lol.

The Quran is the source.....

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

how many muslim nations dont?

what percentage of muslims is 100 mill?

why does america support these nations?

you dont represent the civilised world. please expound on the ACR attitude to gays?

you are so full of shit its hilarious.

attacking muslims, because they are part of a faith group with some values that conflict with progressive secular liberal western values, is ridiculous and disingenuous.

i suggest you get real about what faith groups are and stop thinking you have carte blanch to attack strangers.

Praying the gay away and killing gays are not quite the same thing, wouldn't you say? Making that comparison and you're calling me disingenuous? Funny thing here is I'm not defending any religion, yet you assume I'm shitting on Islam and hoisting another one up a pedestal.

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

It's abundantly clear that even though @seiger staunchly defends Islam, he's absolutely clueless about even basic facts about the religion.

I have no idea why he feels that Islam is something he should defend, since he's too lazy or intellectually unsound to do any research.

 

[RetiredSlave]

christianity genocided 3 continents. literally wiped out and raped the people of north america, south america and australia.

both moses and jesus supported s and jesus was son of a 90 year old man who married a child.

christians have been raping kids, beating wives and slaving and war mongering since constantine envisaged a cross on his shield and resurrected the religion from obscurity in the first place.

having a nice little cult to tell yourself you are better than people, and then using this conceit as a justification for othering them and genocide is pure christian hypocrisy, bullshit and every bit in line with the worst aspects of christian culture.

holier than thou priests with their hands down the pants of little boys who trusted them.

gtfo.

you genocided 3 continents bro. and an atomic bomb. and industrialised slavery. and wife beating, rape of south america, it goes on.

even now the rancid scum dripping off the anti islamic posters is completely out of line with what christianity preaches and completely in line with the examples actually set by so called Christians for 2 millennia.

All religion can fuck off as far as Im concerned. Im not christian and dont condone its atrocities either. Well aware. Im responsible for myself only. The bottom line here is that christianity is not currently an existential threat to civilization as currently known. The crusades are over (arguably but Im not getting into that), the inquisition is over, it is no longer stifling scientific progress or abjectly oppressing certain groups or an entire sex. Again Im not antiislam, Im primarily antiviolence and antidomination.

 

[seiger]

Not a problem with skin color here.
But I admit it, I have a huge problem with Islam and I guarantee you - most people who are against immigration think like that.

If you come in my country and if you rise the same flag as me, if you define yourself as a German in the first instance - you are my brother.

___________________________

If you rise a foreign flag in my country, if you define yourself as a Muslim in the first instance - you are not welcomed.

so called "German"-Turks in Germany

children of nazis.

your country has killed more people in the last 100 years than islam has in a millennium.

 

[seiger]

If it is one thing Seiger you have managed to do, is at least force me to acknowledge that I have not ever really met any of the muslims of my own City. We have a few thousand in the totality of the surrounding county, so they are a very small minority. Given that, I am willing to acknowledge that you may indeed be correct in that many are integrated.

Looking at it, in recent history, many of the Muslim attacks, but not all were done by 2nd and 3rd generation muslims. I find that a far more interesting factoid, a question I would love to understand. It seems that most 1st generation muslims, outside a few notables here(San Bernardino), seem to be ok.

So sure they have mostly integrated, and I can only base that on the fact that my own city has not been Snackbarred yet. But I can not help but look at their native countries, and note how oppressive they are.. Gays are still stoned in the ME, and even in the countries were they are not illegal, they still face violence from the populace. Rape victims are still convicted and murdered. I still see many, if not most of those countries with repressive laws most of which are likely bastardizations of their holy texts. (One of the Islamic websites said that countries that stone rape victims are lacking in compassion)

I see areas of the ME full of wealth and prosperity, and then just outside the city walls, you have such overwhelming poverty.

I wonder Seiger, if you realize how much people like my family and I actually wish to visit the ME for the history. So much history, but it is not safe to go there. I will not take my wife and daughter someplace that fundamentally disrespects them, and forces them to wear their religious garb. Were they can be attacked and raped at the slightest whim, and even if I am there, what the hell will I be able to do against a crowd if Muslim rapists? Not a damn thing. At least here in my state, I know were not to go, were to go, and it generally works.. South side of my city literally has 3x the murder and violent crime rate as the north side, and what's fucked up is its not a black only zone but pretty mixed.. So prudence says I don't ever go downtown, and if I do, I carry my m15-3 with Safariland loaders.(They are really good, don't have to twist a knob to drop the cartridges).

But it is far easier to avoid the downtown and southside, despite my mayor spending millions of tax dollars renovating down town into some kind of attraction.. Clubs, restaurants, a new baseball stadium, high price condo's. Yet why in gods name would I go someplace that is 3x as violent as the Northside?(which has everything I want, other then a ball diamond.)

I really do not have any such ability to discern where and whom is safe with places in the ME. Same goes for the people.. We get story after story of people who lived there for years peacefully just going snackbar and killing people in the name of Allah. If one can not tell the terrorists from the good guys, how am I going to develop any form of trust for them as a people?

It's because I don't trust them, and can't easily tell friend or foe at a glance that I distrust them all, even fear them. At least with white racists, like the Aryan Nation, it is easy to spot them.

there are some truly shit muslim nations out there and most of them are armed and supported by the usa. growing up in a city of a millon muslims, it is very hard for me to treat them as anything other than normal boring people like everyone else.

 

[seiger]

It's not too hard to find if you bother to look lol.

The Quran is the source.....

no, i asked you for specifics not waffle.

 

[seiger]

Praying the gay away and killing gays are not quite the same thing, wouldn't you say? Making that comparison and you're calling me disingenuous? Funny thing here is I'm not defending any religion, yet you assume I'm shitting on Islam and hoisting another one up a pedestal.

except theres 12 out of hoew many nations that punish homosexuality by death?

and what percentage of 1.5 bn is 100 mill?

im defending reality son.

 

[Kframe]

there are some truly shit muslim nations out there and most of them are armed and supported by the usa. growing up in a city of a millon muslims, it is very hard for me to treat them as anything other than normal boring people like everyone else.

Which is easy for you, in part, because you look like them, and likely can speak their language.. Its not the same for visitors.

 

[seiger]

All religion can fuck off as far as Im concerned. Im not christian and dont condone its atrocities either. Well aware. Im responsible for myself only. The bottom line here is that christianity is not currently an existential threat to civilization as currently known. The crusades are over (arguably but Im not getting into that), the inquisition is over, it is no longer stifling scientific progress or abjectly oppressing certain groups or an entire sex. Again Im not antiislam, Im primarily antiviolence and antidomination.

christianity is killing more people than any other group. murders and war. so wtf are you talking about.

christianity is by far the most violent religion in history and its not even close.

 

[seiger]

Which is easy for you, in part, because you look like them, and likely can speak their language.. Its not the same for visitors.

dude im a white non muslim Londoner. im just not a bigot thats all. we all speak london here. im not speaking arabic.