Quebec votes for first conservative majority in 50 years

[French Canadian]

Baby steps. It makes sense that representatives of a secular government appear secular while on the job. I haven't seen a decent argument against this anywhere. Freedom of religion does not factor into it as the flipside is freedom from religion imo. It'll come.

That supposed "liberals" argue against this legit confuses me.

But the thing is, there are still crosses on the top of certain schools, the gvmt pays for the restoration of churches and there's a cross in our parliament.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Do you need to change your tampon now or should we run it by the language police first?

Nice rebuttal but you are a fucking whining pussy if you think preserving a people's language is anything close to facism.

 

[Bald1]

But the thing is, there are still crosses on the top of certain schools, the gvmt pays for the restoration of churches and there's a cross in our parliament.

I have no problems with relics of the past being on display in the right context. If it's part of the original architecture, fine. Paying for restoration of landmarks I'm ok with. Anything above and beyond should be restricted.

I do get your point though.

 

[Grenz]

Nice rebuttal but you are a fucking whining pussy if you think preserving a people's language is anything close to facism.

I think you’re much more of a whining pussy if you think the word pasta or the order of hi/bonjour is something to worry about and spend money on.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I think you’re much more of a whining pussy if you think the word pasta or the order of hi/bonjour is something to worry about and spend money on.

Were you born in Québec?

If not shut your mouth. This is none of your business.

 

[Grenz]

Were you born in Québec?

If not shut your mouth. This is none of your business.

Separatist detected

 

[Ayin]

I have no problems with relics of the past being on display in the right context. If it's part of the original architecture, fine. Paying for restoration of landmarks I'm ok with. Anything above and beyond should be restricted.

I do get your point though.

This I agree with completely.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Separatist detected

Of course I am.

 

[Grenz]

Of course I am.

I can respect that, but you’ve lost two referdums. As the saying goes, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. For now, you remain a part of Canada and reap all the benefits that come with that (trade agreements, diplomatic relations, transfer payments, etc.). If you ever secede, rest assured that non native Quebercers like me will fuck off very fast back to what remains of Canada and meddle in your affairs no longer. Until then, accept that you’re one of 10 provinces (and QC already gets more special treatment than any other province). You can’t get all the benefits that come with being a province of Canada while demanding to be treated like a sovereign nation.

 

[Halifax]

Of course I am.

Quite frankly, the whole Bloc Quebecois party is a party built upon high treason.

 

[Greoric]

The French Rise

 

[Renard]

It's not really a conservative government. By US standards, it's left-leaning economically, however it's not left-leaning on "social" issues. The whole cultural Marxism thing that's infected the political discussion of the Anglo-sphere hasn't really infected Quebec. The rhetoric spills over a little, and it's discussed as a curiosity, but it's just not an idea that's believed or taken seriously by anyone i.e. the idea that all women are oppressed, all minorities are oppressed, let's judge people based on their group identity, white guilt, etc, all that cancer isn't a thing. The state as a secular entity is a French tradition, it would unimaginable to pass a law in the English-speaking world that bans religious symbols for state workers. It's neat that speaking another language is basically a vaccine from the cancerous rhetoric that the US and English-speaking provinces pump out nonstop, despite geographic proximity to the bullshit.

 

[Soul Crusher]

Yeah I would say that it is a real problem in Québec, just like it is in Europe.

If you are a multiculturalist, that is a pretty big, typical mistake of that camp, to assume that it's all bullshit anyways and that the only thing people care about is the price of fuel and kindergarten.

Is the replacement of Canadian culture Quebec's/Canada's real problem? What should be everyone's concenern is money and the economy!

Worrying about your culture, how your people will be treated in the future, gun bans and confiscation, Islam growing and coming into conflict with the growing number of other religions etc is just identity politics.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

It's not really a conservative government. By US standards, it's left-leaning economically, however it's not left-leaning on "social" issues. The whole cultural Marxism thing that's infected the political discussion of the Anglo-sphere hasn't really infected Quebec. The rhetoric spills over a little, and it's discussed as a curiosity, but it's just not an idea that's believed or taken seriously by anyone i.e. the idea that all women are oppressed, all minorities are oppressed, let's judge people based on their group identity, white guilt, etc, all that cancer isn't a thing. The state as a secular entity is a French tradition, it would unimaginable to pass a law in the English-speaking world that bans religious symbols for state workers. It's neat that speaking another language is basically a vaccine from the cancerous rhetoric that the US and English-speaking provinces pump out nonstop, despite geographic proximity to the bullshit.

That's a very good post but I would like to qualify a couple of things:

- I wish it was true that Québec had not been infected by batshit progressism (what you call cultural marxism) but that would be too optimistic. All the West has been infected by it to varying degrees and Québec is no exception. Yes, language and culture act as some buffer, but people in Québec also flirt with this madness, like all other Westerners. Plus they are flooded by North-American culture. I think what saves Québec from the absolute madness is that Québécois culture is already by definition feminist and progressist, since like 3 generations. So when the hysterical cunts from American campuses start hyperventilating about the patriarchy and I don't know what, Québécois people are sort of like :

<puh-lease75>

- the secular state is absolutely part of Québec mentality, no question, but it is not a French "tradition" in the sense that the ties to France had already been broken when the secular state became a thing in France following the French revolution. A French influence, to some extent, sure, but I wouldn't call it a French tradition.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Quite frankly, the whole Bloc Quebecois party is a party built upon high treason.

From a conqueror's POV you are right.

When you are a conquered people, you see it from another angle.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I can respect that, but you’ve lost two referdums. As the saying goes, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. For now, you remain a part of Canada and reap all the benefits that come with that (trade agreements, diplomatic relations, transfer payments, etc.). If you ever secede, rest assured that non native Quebercers like me will fuck off very fast back to what remains of Canada and meddle in your affairs no longer. Until then, accept that you’re one of 10 provinces (and QC already gets more special treatment than any other province). You can’t get all the benefits that come with being a province of Canada while demanding to be treated like a sovereign nation.

But that is a fallatious argument. Of course there are benefits that come from being part of Canada, but what is your point exactly? I want Québec to secede because that would grant other benefits which outweigh the current ones.

 

[Grenz]

It's not really a conservative government. By US standards, it's left-leaning economically, however it's not left-leaning on "social" issues. The whole cultural Marxism thing that's infected the political discussion of the Anglo-sphere hasn't really infected Quebec. The rhetoric spills over a little, and it's discussed as a curiosity, but it's just not an idea that's believed or taken seriously by anyone i.e. the idea that all women are oppressed, all minorities are oppressed, let's judge people based on their group identity, white guilt, etc, all that cancer isn't a thing. The state as a secular entity is a French tradition, it would unimaginable to pass a law in the English-speaking world that bans religious symbols for state workers. It's neat that speaking another language is basically a vaccine from the cancerous rhetoric that the US and English-speaking provinces pump out nonstop, despite geographic proximity to the bullshit.

Quebec is insulated against whatever is being pushed in regard to cultural relativism by virtue of having a clearly defined and distinct culture. I don’t think you’re going to find very many quebercers who don’t believe that. But you’re going to find a much larger number of Canadians who believed Trudeau when he said Canada doesn’t have a culture. In absence of a culture, what is there to protect? Not so in Quebec where the culture has always been defined and protected.

 

[Grenz]

But that is a fallatious argument. Of course there are benefits that come from being part of Canada, but what is your point exactly? I want Québec to secede because that would grant other benefits which outweigh the current ones.

You said I should shut my mouth since I wasn’t born here. That might work if Quebec was a country, but it’s ‘just’ a province. Suggesting that a Canadian should only have a say in matters of his province of residence if he’s born there is undemocratic. I pay taxes just like you do, I don’t demand special treatment, but when the PQ wants to piss away a bunch of money because Montreal isn’t as French as Quebec City (it never was and arguably was much more English than now prior to the quiet revolution), you’re damn right I’m going to call bullshit.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

The proposed ban on Hijabs on government employees is going to be very interesting to watch unfold from a legal standpoint.

On the one hand such a ban is pretty obviously a breach of freedom of religion under section 2 of the Charter of a Rights and Freedoms. However, the CAQ leader has threatened to use the notwithstanding clause to force the ban through in spite of any potential court interference.

That leaves the question as to whether Trudeau and federal liberal government would allow that to happen. During the whole Toronto city counsel issue last month when Doug Ford used the notwithstanding clause a number of commentators in news publications made reference to some power of the Federal government to override the Provincial governments. The weird thing is that I don’t recall ever learning of such a power in my constitutional law class in law school (although that was 10 years ago now). Unless they’re referring to the doctrine of Federal paramountcy, but that’s not really how that power works. Paramamountcy still requires the federal government to have jurisdiction to legislate over the issue in dispute. I’m not sure I see how provincial government employee attire falls under federal jurisdiction.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

You said I should shut my mouth since I wasn’t born here. That might work if Quebec was a country, but it’s ‘just’ a province. Suggesting that a Canadian should only have a say in matters of his province of residence if he’s born there is undemocratic. I pay taxes just like you do, I don’t demand special treatment, but when the PQ wants to piss away a bunch of money because Montreal isn’t as French as Quebec City (it never was and arguably was much more English than now prior to the quiet revolution), you’re damn right I’m going to call bullshit.

My point is that you are a visitor and cannot relate to that stance on language.

If for example I moved to Ireland, I might find their struggle to keep gaelic alive ridiculous, but it wouldn't be my business to comment.

I don't see how that is different from your position on Québec language topics.