Quebec votes for first conservative majority in 50 years

[trac209]

Where in my post did I say I didn't know what was causing all the hate? I said it wasn't due to programs for poor people (except among the truly shitty people). All anyone has to do is peruse your ever so erudite posts to get a really good idea where the hate is coming from. I'll leave that homework to the reader.

You stated his handling of this issue isn’t the reason he gets his hate you didn’t think so at least..meaning you didn’t know where his hate came from omg do you even read what you type? Regardless of why he is hated his ass is gonzo 2019 period. You can cry over that fact next October

 

[Ayin]

I hear ya, but being born in Canada and having lived here most of my life, I can't imagine a world without free healthcare. And I have a phobia of doctors...

I think our two-tier system includes our own healthcare, and then driving across the border to the US.

This has been a point made by many in support of a tiered system, that it currently exists, but that the additional revenue is being channeled out of the country, and that it would logically be better if that wealth were being funnelled back into our health system.

Opponents of that point of view don’t argue against those facts, but are against the image of Canadians paying for healthcare, so would prefer if the image of ideological purity were maintained despite the facts.

In many ways it’s similar to the argument over pipelines and transfer by rail, ie “it’s currently happening and will continue to happen and is worse in every way for Canada and Canadians than a change would be” vs. “It shouldn’t happen and I don’t like that it does already but I can’t stop that so i’ll Ignore it”.

lol I know. I really wanted that electoral reform! I'm a policy/platform voter, not a party guy.

That was one of the things I was very excited about. And the given reason for it’s cancellation and the bungling of the whole thing shook my confidence early on.

I think Trudeau got a rude awakening when he found out there was a total lack of support for the reforms within his own party. He dropped it like a hot potato.

It didn’t help that, if my memory is correct, he gave the file to a completely unqualified person who clearly was an identity pet project which failed disastrously on every level. Even the identity part.

 

[Andy Capp]

It didn’t help that, if my memory is correct, he gave the file to a completely unqualified person who clearly was an identity pet project which failed disastrously on every level. Even the identity part.

How about let's neither of us rely on your memory and you supply a source that backs up that vague assertion? Not saying you're wrong, I really have no idea. But experience shows you can't take everything Trudeau's critics say at face value. See above.

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't know a lot about Canada, but the left has gone so far crazy wacko left, that the pendulum is starting to swing back the other direction.

ROFL at the irony of you calling anyone else a wacko.
How's Obama's 3rd term working out for ya?
Did he impose Sharia yet?
Got any update on the Blood Moon?
Oh, and hey, how about a list of some other un-American surnames? I mean, Obama's name is obviously disgusting (to you), but who else makes the grade for un-American names?

BWAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Ayin]

How about let's neither of us rely on your memory and you supply a source that backs up that vague assertion? Not saying you're wrong, I really have no idea. But experience shows you can't take everything Trudeau's critics say at face value. See above.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Monsef

No worries, though if it matters in future i’m hardly a Liberal critic.

Monsef May have been given an impossible job in this portfolio (electoral reform), but it was absolutely bungled from day one. The argument could be made that it was a large undertaking or that it was a new governement, but either of those positions would suggest they should have put someone experienced into place to handle the first big election promise they attempted to undertake on a national stage.

Between everything from attempting to engage Canadians with an online questioner that somehow had the flaws only surveys in the private industry got past a decade ago, to bumblimg theoigh the “math is hard” explanation for why certain options weren’t going to be considered, it was just non-stop failure until the plug was pulled (embarassigly, and disappointingly).

Monsef got quietly shuffled to the kind of portfolio that one of the youngest rookie ministers ever selected should be on (one that doesn’t have any immediate goals and isn’t in the public eye attempting to uphold an election promise immediately after starting).

The fact that she was held up as an example of refugee politics initially and how her family history ended up playing out was unfortunate, but thankfully she was already Women’s Minister by then (again, from what I remember) so few people actually cared, and besides, Ahmed Hussen has a much better and cleaner immigrant story to inspire people.


Anyways, more info can easily be found on Monsef and the whole debacle, I remember following it in the Toronto Star as it developed.

 

[Gandhi]

I’d say far right in America is: as long as I have my guns and we can overturn Roe, I don’t care if there is absolutely no social safety net whatsoever... in fact, it would probably be a good thing since most people on welfare are cheating the system anyways.

How’d I do?

Sounds like the mainstream right, so fail.

 

[Gandhi]

Quebec could move to the right economically, or it could have just gone for a more intelligent form of social policy.

The CAQ is right wing identity virtue signaling. They made a huge deal about immigrants and their solution? 40k a year instead of 54k a year, and a test. Fail the test and they revoke citizenship. Except the provincial govt is not allowed to revoke citizenship. That and no religious symbols? Are these quebec's real problems? Cynic in me thinks that Quebec's working class just got duped into voting for an a indentity flag waving uber wealthy policy ignoramus that will get rid a ton of progressive policies that benefit them. It should sound familiar. The less cynical side of me hopes they shake up the bloated govt and get the market working better.

 

[Andy Capp]

Quebec could move to the right economically, or it could have just gone for a more intelligent form of social policy.

The CAQ is right wing identity virtue signaling. They made a huge deal about immigrants and their solution? 40k a year instead of 54k a year, and a test. Fail the test and they revoke citizenship. Except the provincial govt is not allowed to revoke citizenship. That and no religious symbols? Are these quebec's real problems? Cynic in me thinks that Quebec's working class just got duped into voting for an a indentity flag waving uber wealthy policy ignoramus that will get rid a ton of progressive policies that benefit them. It should sound familiar. The less cynical side of me hopes they shake up the bloated govt and get the market working better.

There's hope and then there's political reality. The cynic in me thinks the same as your cynic.

 

[Ayin]

Quebec could move to the right economically, or it could have just gone for a more intelligent form of social policy.

The CAQ is right wing identity virtue signaling. They made a huge deal about immigrants and their solution? 40k a year instead of 54k a year, and a test. Fail the test and they revoke citizenship. Except the provincial govt is not allowed to revoke citizenship. That and no religious symbols? Are these quebec's real problems? Cynic in me thinks that Quebec's working class just got duped into voting for an a indentity flag waving uber wealthy policy ignoramus that will get rid a ton of progressive policies that benefit them. It should sound familiar. The less cynical side of me hopes they shake up the bloated govt and get the market working better.

Hopefully voters just got sick of the back and forth of their two party separatist vs federalist existence similarly to their voting NDP previously and once again went looking for whatever other option didn’t conflict with their semi-national identity (as again with the NDP).

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Canadians are gonna love their private health insurance.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

This brings a tear to my eye. The left one.

"- secular charter: certain government employees (e.g. police, teachers) can't wear any sort of religious symbols, e.g. a teacher couldn't wear a Hijab while teaching"

I've been preaching this for years. The anti-far left movement is also encouraging.

So, you are essentially against religious freedom. I'd have more respect for you if you were simply a racist.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I'm a Canadian conservative card carrying member of the party....and I have no idea why Quebec would vote for them. Its a province designed and made for having their frog hands out.

The hordes of asylum seeker obviously got on their nerves, so I can understand the switch

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Quebec lost again today in the case where the women was refused her case heard because she wouldnt remove her hijab. No wonder they are voting in people to help them with this.

 

[Bald1]

So, you are essentially against religious freedom. I'd have more respect for you if you were simply a racist.

Don't Kathy Newman me.

Just as rights come with responsibilities, freedoms come with boundaries. Those boundaries usually end where others' begin.

Azriel, a devout jew always wears his yarmulka has a job opportunity at a mosque. They will only give him the contract if he doesn't display his faith while at work. Is this a case where religious freedom is being repressed, or a case of establishing boundaries?

 

[Gandhi]

Hopefully voters just got sick of the back and forth of their two party separatist vs federalist existence similarly to their voting NDP previously and once again went looking for whatever other option didn’t conflict with their semi-national identity (as again with the NDP).

That’s a big part of it I would like to think.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Holy fuck that's good news.

Decrease immigration and enforce a secular state.

Glad that the Québécois have the balls to call it like it is.

Maybe Québec has retained some of its identity and is not yet a lost, multicultural shithole like the rest of Canada afterall.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

This sounds so foreign to Americans. “Far Left” here means, hey, maybe we should have guaranteed healthcare... if not for everyone, at least for old people and kids.

Far left really means. I hate that I have no money and my college degree is useless. I blame the "establishment" and anyone who looks like them.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Quebec could move to the right economically, or it could have just gone for a more intelligent form of social policy.

The CAQ is right wing identity virtue signaling. They made a huge deal about immigrants and their solution? 40k a year instead of 54k a year, and a test. Fail the test and they revoke citizenship. Except the provincial govt is not allowed to revoke citizenship. That and no religious symbols? Are these quebec's real problems? Cynic in me thinks that Quebec's working class just got duped into voting for an a indentity flag waving uber wealthy policy ignoramus that will get rid a ton of progressive policies that benefit them. It should sound familiar. The less cynical side of me hopes they shake up the bloated govt and get the market working better.

Yeah I would say that it is a real problem in Québec, just like it is in Europe.

If you are a multiculturalist, that is a pretty big, typical mistake of that camp, to assume that it's all bullshit anyways and that the only thing people care about is the price of fuel and kindergarten.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Quebec, Canada's only primarily French speaking province and second most populous, has voted for a Conservative government tonight for the first time in 50 years. The CAQs priorities are:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-election-result-1.4846201

- smaller government
- more privatized healthcare
- extend child benefit (2,400 per year per child, right now you only get it for the first)
- decrease immigration
- secular charter: certain government employees (e.g. police, teachers) can't wear any sort of religious symbols, e.g. a teacher couldn't wear a Hijab while teaching

During the last 50 years, Quebec has only ever had the Liberals or the Parti Quebecois (French separatists with just a smidgen of fascism thrown in) in power. The government sector here is bloated as fuck, we pay money for ridiculous shit like yearly driver's license renewal ($80, increases with accrued demerit points) and we pay the highest income tax in Canada (while also being the largest recipient of transfer payments). Let these guys have a go at it, see how it goes.

Fucking LOL @ the notion that the PQ has some fascism component in it.

Typical federalist propaganda. It's unbelievable how many people in Canada actually believe that (including federalist French-Canadians).

It shows not only a an utter ignorance of history and what actual facism stand for, and an utter ignorance of the PQ.

Did you know that the PQ's platform has always been social-democratic in nature? It is a LEFT party, you blithering fool.

 

[Grenz]

Fucking LOL @ the notion that the PQ has some fascism component in it.

Typical federalist propaganda. It's unbelievable how many people in Canada actually believe that (including federalist French-Canadians).

It shows not only a an utter ignorance of history and what actual facism stand for, and an utter ignorance of the PQ.

Did you know that the PQ's platform has always been social-democratic in nature? It is a LEFT party, you blithering fool.

Do you need to change your tampon now or should we run it by the language police first?