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Y'all keep arguing about Reigns and WWE's shitty booking. I'm just gonna be here catching up on NJPW's G1 Climax.

Now that i think about it, aside from the wrestling style, NJPW is pretty well-stacked in term of talents. We have the top dogs with AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, Hiroshi Tanahashi and Kazuchika Okada. Next we have upper mid card folks in Togi Makabe, Tetsuya Naito, Tomohiro Ishii, Kota Ibushi, and then the mid card and lower card followed suit. Almost all of them are homegrown talents ranging from Kevin Nash-style big guy to vanilla midgets. These guys often feud with one another or vs someone in the upper level. Same deal with the Tag and the Jr Tag division. The only exception to this pyramid of talents is the Jr Heavyweight division with only Kenny Omega on top, but he's an awesome over the top Bullet Club heel so he could carry the whole division by himself. Comparatively speaking to WWE however, i failed to see this. The talents are nowhere near as full as NJPW, and there's often this single minded tunnel vision thing about making the one-true-star in order to carry the company for the next decades or so, often in expense of other talents (ala The Wyatt Family). Is it a case of too many cooks spoil the foods? NJPW as i recalled only have Gedo and Jedo to book and their shows are stacked, whereas WWE had this legion of writers that can't write anything sustainable for 5 minutes without changing the script. Lastly, i rarely see any blood from a NJPW show, but their storylines and wrestling are top notch. On the other hand WWE seemed to be gimped creatively by the whole PG label, but ironically at the same time raking in sponsorship money for their facade of their shows being "hot" when the ratings were anything BUT.

Of course, NJPW might be just a "shitty overseas indy fed", but they still got a sizable worldwide fanbase and routinely sold out arena/stadium in their native country. So it raise a question of what the hell is WWE doing with their products. NXT got their shit right and you could see the comparison between them and NJPW. Roman Reigns might be hot the last week, but realistically speaking how many of you actually think that WWE's legion of writers can sustain his heat to Royal Rumble? They had the bright idea of capitalizing on it, but it is an the expense of his longevity. After this is done and Reigns back to being a neckbeard whippin boy then really, they might as well pack the Reigns experience into their lockers, along with their Lex Luger Express and other nonsense.



Every week someone comes here and asks why WWE isn't exactly like or doing things that a much smaller organization is doing. Why isn't WWE more like ROH? Why isn't it more like NJPW? Why isn't it more like NXT? Simple answer...Because it's not

Everyone wants to change WWE to be like another small company they like that is relatively unknown but the large majority of people and then get angry when WWE doesn't do it. You rattled off about 20 names of japanese wrestlers that no one outside of the a small portion of the internet or the region of Japan has ever heard of and then proceeds to ask why WWE isn't running their organization like theirs. WWE's business models hasn't changed much since the 80s. Different faces yes but same model. They are the largest organization in the world by a very large margin and while ratings are down other organizations can't even get a legit TV deal or get 100,000 people to even watch their weekly programming. If you like ROH fine, but stop trying to turn WWE into ROH or NJPW, especially when those companies aren't doing half the shit or only has 9% of the reach WWE has.
 
Every week someone comes here and asks why WWE isn't exactly like or doing things that a much smaller organization is doing. Why isn't WWE more like ROH? Why isn't it more like NJPW? Why isn't it more like NXT? Simple answer...Because it's not

Everyone wants to change WWE to be like another small company they like that is relatively unknown but the large majority of people and then get angry when WWE doesn't do it. You rattled off about 20 names of japanese wrestlers that no one outside of the a small portion of the internet or the region of Japan has ever heard of and then proceeds to ask why WWE isn't running their organization like theirs. WWE's business models hasn't changed much since the 80s. Different faces yes but same model. They are the largest organization in the world by a very large margin and while ratings are down other organizations can't even get a legit TV deal or get 100,000 people to even watch their weekly programming. If you like ROH fine, but stop trying to turn WWE into ROH or NJPW, especially when those companies aren't doing half the shit or only has 9% of the reach WWE has.

Again this argument. I pointed out that NJPW is pretty big themselves. It is not a "small" company like you imply. They got corporate backers, they got financial and shit. It is not a "small shitty indy fed". And even then, i'm merely pointing out that their model with their bookings make more sense scale wise compare to WWE's rather inefficient way of bookings. If such comparison make me a neckbeard or "wanting to turn WWE into NJPW", then so be it i guess. WWE have their own ways of doing things. I get that. BUT that won't stop people from pointing out other more efficient and better ways of doing things.

And also, those Japanese "unknown" wrestlers are pretty great. Maybe you could like one or two after watching them. You know, "expand your horizon"
 
Yeah, when has the WWE ever benefited from aping a smaller org's style? Huh? Huh? Never. Certainly not in the late 90's.
 
Again this argument. I pointed out that NJPW is pretty big themselves. It is not a "small" company like you imply. They got corporate backers, they got financial and shit. It is not a "small shitty indy fed". And even then, i'm merely pointing out that their model with their bookings make more sense scale wise compare to WWE's rather inefficient way of bookings. If such comparison make me a neckbeard or "wanting to turn WWE into NJPW", then so be it i guess. WWE have their own ways of doing things. I get that. BUT that won't stop people from pointing out other more efficient and better ways of doing things.

And also, those Japanese "unknown" wrestlers are pretty great. Maybe you could like one or two after watching them. You know, "expand your horizon"

If "pretty big themselves" means 40,000 subscribers about 20% outside of Japan then yeah. They are better off than pretty much every other indy.
 
Vince put more effort keeping that organization alive than Heyman did.

This is relevant to the point, how?

You're stance that WWE can't learn a thing or two from smaller orgs, simply because they're not as popular, is ridiculous. Especially when they once straight up copied a smaller org's style and became more popular than ever because of it.
 
This is relevant to the point, how?

You're stance that WWE can't learn a thing or two from smaller orgs, simply because they're not as popular, is ridiculous. Especially when they once straight up copied a smaller org's style and became more popular than ever because of it.

You implying that WWE used ECW's hardcore style or are you one of those people who think the attitude era was taken from ECW?
 
You implying that WWE used ECW's hardcore style or are you one of those people who think the attitude era was taken from ECW?

ECW had an undeniably huge influence on the Attitude Era. This is a fact. A fact that I'm sure you'll deny.
 
You didn't say influence, you said straight up ripped off

In some respects it was. WWE just did what ECW was doing, just with way more talented people, and higher production values.

Regardless, your point that the WWE couldn't possibly learn anything from smaller orgs because they're not popular, is one of the most stupid and ignorant things I've ever heard.

I mean hell, forget ECW. What about the NWO? An angle that Eric Bischoff himself will tell you was influenced by an angle done in a Japanese company. .
 
If "pretty big themselves" means 40,000 subscribers about 20% outside of Japan then yeah. They are better off than pretty much every other indy.

Again the arguments about the size. Size does not matters. This is borderline strawman.
 
In some respects it was. WWE just did what ECW was doing, just with way more talented people, and higher production values.

Regardless, your point that the WWE couldn't possibly learn anything from smaller orgs because they're not popular, is one of the most stupid and ignorant things I've ever heard. .

That wasn't even what I said outside of your WWF ripped off ECW point you were trying to jam in.

My point was people wanting to turn WWE into a carbon copy of another indy org they like. Look at NXT, it was a developmental territory that people have turned into they own ROH/ECW show because their favorite indy stars are down there. NXT is a hour long network show that does 3 minute squash matches leading to a special event every 3-4 months. I've said for months that you can't expect to book RAW or Smackdown like NXT. Because then when those people are put on the main roster, WWE is the bad guy for not making them like their indy character they grew up liking. Next thing you know you got people arguing for Tyler Breeze or wanting to put Neville in the main event.


Again the arguments about the size. Size does not matters. This is borderline strawman.

Size matters when YOU are the one saying they are a large company.
 
Size matters when YOU are the one saying they are a large company.

NJPW currently is the top dog of Japan right now, dwarfing over AJPW or Noah. Their flagship event drew 36000 people or so in Tokyo Dome. They might not have the international appeal or global reach of WWE due to years of Japan-centric business practice, you can't say that they are this "shitty overseas indy feds" when they are the top dog of their country and manage to draw such crowds. Of course it is just a fraction of Wrestlemania, but we are talking relativity here.
 
NJPW currently is the top dog of Japan right now, dwarfing over AJPW or Noah. Their flagship event drew 36000 people or so in Tokyo Dome. They might not have the international appeal or global reach of WWE due to years of Japan-centric business practice, you can't say that they are this "shitty overseas indy feds" when they are the top dog of their country and manage to draw such crowds. Of course it is just a fraction of Wrestlemania, but we are talking relativity here.

You can Delete NJPW and add AAA to this same post and would probably be still be true. Fact is NJPW is local and relativity small to the company you are trying to compare it too. The Network drops in Japan on the 5th and it will interesting to see the numbers they get from that region.
 
You can Delete NJPW and add AAA to this same post and would probably be still be true. Fact is NJPW is local and relativity small to the company you are trying to compare it too. The Network drops in Japan on the 5th and it will interesting to see the numbers they get from that region.

Under the whole logic train you have been following since the start, you are very much adamant that WWE should continue their way, even if their way is resulting in downed viewership and a trainwreck of a flagship program. Further more, WWE shouldn't even attempt to change to ape smaller, but better received orgs because they "have always run this way" smack of apologist logic. Under that logic, WWE will stay stagnant and die sooner or later.

As someone pointed out in some other place, WWE is running on the same track that WCW run during their last legs, but yet they don't realized it.
 
Im downloading Hateful 8 and Revenant
Still gonna go to the theater for Star Wars though
Even though I dont know why I should since a certain asshole that posts in this thread already spoiled it on Facebook in a desperate plea for attention
Who the hell
 
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