International Putin and Xi Jinping pledge new era of Sino-Russian 'no limits' relationship. Tell US to "Know your role, and stop meddling"

[Fox by the Sea]

So you don't know what hegemony means, that's fair man, your second post implied that you did.

Looks like you don't know what "Implies" means.

 

[evansusmc2]

hegemony

hegemony

Pardon my unknowingness... but what is this? It better be important enough to be plastering it all over this thread.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

After spending some time in China I must say, it's a very hard place to describe. It's its own thing. It's more a world than it is a country if that makes sense. No words like communist, socialist, capitalist, democratic, dictatorship etc really fit well as compared to other places holding those mantles. It's not a place you can just read about and know what it's like.

The ruling political mantra is to not ask the wrong questions or dabble into politics in unapproved ways, just accept that the government will make your life better. For the past 20+ or so years it's certainly been doing that.... Remarkably well -- really improving living standards in ways beyond GDP metrics can measure - especially because they have a huge gap between rural and urban standards of living. Will the well run dry? Possibly, and therein lies the danger.

That said, do I think it makes sense for Orwellian two minute hate sessions against the Chinese? Nah. A better relationship with Russia is just basic balance of power realpolitik right now as the West is especially fearful of China given how advanced they are in the cyber space and forward looking they are in the tech space.

 

[Deorum]

dictator or no tator... the amount of America haters online that have been using "china's imminent takeover" of America is something they have been using as an e-bludgeoning tool since 2008. Especially in the Youtube comment sections.

 

[Hog-train]

China can go fuck itself in the South China Sea.

Co-signed by: every single neighboring country.

 

[moreorless87]

- I bet they're gonna back-stab themselves before anything comes from this. This is like Shang-Tsung and Quan Chi making a deal.

I don't think this is akin to say the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, there not two countries were conflict is clearly on the near horizon looking to buy time.

They are I think potentially long term allies being sellers and buyers of nature resources but if you do look to the long term(maybe beyond our lifetimes) my guess is the Chinese have their eyes on Siberia(parts of which which were controled by the Manchu Empire), either as part of a greater China or maybe via investment and immigration. Global warming is potentially going to significantly cut Chinese agricultural productivity but is also going to potentially open up more of Siberia to agriculture, I believe farmable land is moving north at something like 10 miles a year.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the US views Canada in a similar light.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I don't think this is akin to say the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, there not two countries were conflict is clearly on the near horizon looking to buy time.

They are I think potentially long term allies being sellers and buyers of nature resources but if you do look to the long term(maybe beyond our lifetimes) my guess is the Chinese have their eyes on Siberia(parts of which which were controled by the Manchu Empire), either as part of a greater China or maybe via investment and immigration. Global warming is potentially going to significantly cut Chinese agricultural productivity but is also going to potentially open up more of Siberia to agriculture, I believe farmable land is moving north at something like 10 miles a year.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the US views Canada in a similar light.

- China has long-term planing.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

American foreign policy towards China has been abysmal.

It shows that after 9/11, a bunch of neocon morons thought it would be a great idea to emancipate America from Europe and especially Britain. 20 years later, two major wars lost, trust of Europe lost, no soft power, the toolkit has shrunk to military threats, sanctions or outright corruption of local potentates. The most identifiable goal of the state department is the militant promotion of lgbt and their embassies around the globe are either CIA cash drops for corrupt local politicians or lgbt flag zones.

In this general atmosphere, the contact with china has been basically do as we say or else. might have worked in 2000, but that's done now. it's over. america can't really influence what china does anymore. i don't even know when america was last smart in relation to china. maybe during nixon.

China is lost for the west. they will continue to develop in their own direction, create their sphere of influence, move away from the financial instruments of the west, which have become unreliable (that idea of confiscating russian assets and using them is fatal if actually implemented - why would anyone hold a dime in the western financial system anymore?), they will build their own with the russians, the middle east and others.

it's a shit situation. and us in europe can't do shit either. we've got some yapping poodles like macron that try to pump himself up when speaking about china, but in reality, we're a market for chinese products more than a real policy determinant towards them.

- I do agree. People think you're singling out USA, but even those considered terrorits contries, put a serious work on their diplomats. And if you were wrong, USA wond't be losing so much international partners, like in the Sahel. Foreign Affairs is important, very important for a contry in the global scenary. Americans should ask why the USA has made a mockery of that.

Look, Bidet calling Japan and China xenofobic isnt a good look, as was or former presidente Bitchonaro badmonthing China. Diplomacy goes far beyound or personal feeling. We need to take or nation long-therm benefits in account.

Sorry for the wrong workshop. Posting from a New cellphone.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

Because its has brought the most prosperous and most peaceful era of humanity.

We've been at war literally the entire time.

 

[Rod1]

Looks like you don't know what "Implies" means.

I do, you simply fail to understand what hegemony means, you are using "hegemony" as a word for imperialism or geopolitical influence.

Hegemony just means that there is one "superpower" so American hegemony means the entire world will play by American rules, if America stops being an hegemony that will only be because China raises and challenges it, so a part of the world would be playing by Chinese rules.

So yeah, being against Western Hegemony means in this day and age to simply be pro-China

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I do, you simply fail to understand what hegemony means, you are using "hegemony" as a word for imperialism or geopolitical influence.

Hegemony just means that there is one "superpower" so American hegemony means the entire world will play by American rules, if America stops being an hegemony that will only be because China raises and challenges it, so a part of the world would be playing by Chinese rules.

So yeah, being against Western Hegemony means in this day and age to simply be pro-China

Nice fanfiction that has no connection to what i wrote.
Sounds like you don't understand what hegemony means.

 

[Rod1]

Pardon my unknowingness... but what is this? It better be important enough to be plastering it all over this thread.

I think maybe the word is used more in Spanish.

Hegemony means political dominance, the word comes from Classical Greece where you had a lot of competing City-States, at some points these City-States became too dominant and were considered the Hegemony.

For example Athenian Hegemony, Spartan Hegemony.

 

[Rod1]

Nice fanfiction that has no connection to what i wrote.
Sounds like you don't understand what hegemony means.

You didn't wrote anything.

When a guy pointed out a post that said China would take over what America leaves behind you said "I want no hegemonies" which is a retarded answer, because China doesn't needs to be an hegemony to influence others, they will and are already taking a lot of countries under their wing and trying to shape them in their image.

This has nothing to do with hegemony, which you seem to think its a synonym of imperialism or dominance.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You didn't wrote anything.

When a guy pointed out a post that said China would take over what America leaves behind you said "I want no hegemonies" which is a retarded answer, because China doesn't needs to be an hegemony to influence others, they will and are already taking a lot of countries under their wing and trying to shape them in their image.

This has nothing to do with hegemony, which you seem to think its a synonym of imperialism or dominance.

Looks like reading comprehension problems from you.
but that's not my problem.

 

[Rod1]

We've been at war literally the entire time.

And there are also murders in Japan just like in Mexico, i guess that means Japanese society is just as violent as Mexican society right?

About 10,000 people died daily during the whole 7 years of WW2, the scope of the wars today vs the scope of the wars before American hegemony is logarithmic.

 

[Rod1]

Looks like reading comprehension problems from you.
but that's not my problem.

What exactly did you meant with "i want no hegemonies" and how is that related to Chinese imperialism?

 

[Fox by the Sea]

What exactly did you meant with "i want no hegemonies" and how is that related to Chinese imperialism?

Exactly that - i want no hegemonies.
It's sad you have difficulty with simple words.

 

[Rod1]

Exactly that - i want no hegemonies.

And how the fuck is that related to Chinese imperialism?

It's sad you have difficulty with simple words.

"I like pineapples more than watermelons"

 

[Fox by the Sea]

And how the fuck is that related to Chinese imperialism?

You'll find life is very hard if simple declarative sentences cause you so much trouble.

 

[Rod1]

You'll find life is very hard if simple declarative sentences cause you so much trouble.

Its pretty hard to see the correlation here.