PSA: Machida is the only fighter that should get a pass for getting popped for banned substances

DOMMA said:
Look closely and see if you can spot the difference:

Post USADA , recent pic:
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A bit earlier, juiced:
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That's not post USADA, that's when he was at LHW...
 
DOMMA said:
Maybe I'm cynical but I have a hard time believing that Machida is not hammering PEDS
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he went from a fluffy 205'er to a ripped 185'er. Any dadbod can do that with an intense routine. Though one should never make assumptions based solely on physique (see Royce and Barnett), there is nothing about Machida's body that incriminates him.
 
dragonclaw said:
What he took was allowed at the time, but then it made on the banned substance list a few weeks later, it was already in his system, he fessed up to it.

No harm, no foul.

He should not be placed in the same bucket as guys like Werdum, Jones and the rest of those no-good cheating scumbags.
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if you Machida Fanboys finally own up to him losing to Rampage... the fact that he was backing up the whole fight and didn't do anything to deserve the win.

Done Deal

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DOMMA said:
Look closely and see if you can spot the difference:

Post USADA , recent pic:
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The banner behind him clearly says Machida vs Shogun. The date is October, which means it was the first fight back in October 2009. Careless mistake or outright lie?
 
DOMMA said:
Are you Machida's dad? I know what to look for to determine who is cheating. I knew as soon as I saw Machida come in as shredded as he is in the pics I posted that he was cheating. The traps, upper chest and deltoid development make it easy to conclude he is far from all natty. He looked far different in his past two fights. - went from being shredded to having love handles....USADA testing is working.
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I’m in accord. Big machida fan but yeah, looked like on a dht type gear before.
 
dragonclaw said:
What he took was allowed at the time, but then it made on the banned substance list a few weeks later, it was already in his system, he fessed up to it.

No harm, no foul.

He should not be placed in the same bucket as guys like Werdum, Jones and the rest of those no-good cheating scumbags.

With Jones, it runs in his family. It's like gangster blood.
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7-keto shouldn't be on the list, or at least shouldn't be on the out of competition list, but this is wrong.

Machida got busted in early 2016. 7-keto has explicitly listed as banned on the WADA list, which Nevada, California, and many other ACs use, since 2012, and it could be argued that it's been banned for years before that. It simply wasn't tested for.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/WADA_Prohibited_List_2012_EN.pdf

Machida got fucked over, but not because what he was taken was suddenly banned when it wasn't before. Machida got suspended because he didn't do his homework, and because WADA has miscategorized some things on the list for a variety of reasons. He bears more responsibility for his positive than the guys who've taken supplements with unlisted ingredients - he knew exactly what he was taking, and the only barrier to him finding out it was banned was a lack of research on his part.
 
Pelosi2016 said:
^^^ This cannot be stressed enough. DHEA doesn’t do sh-t and it is in a bunch of OTC supplements. It isn’t a PED. USADA has absolutely no business regulating legal supplements.
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USADA doesn't regulate legal supplements. They don't regulate illegal supplements either. They and WADA regulate what an athlete subject to their testing is allowed to take. You're thinking of the FDA.
 
Newave said:
Good post. 7 keto should have not been on the list. They sell that shit at GNC. I took some when I was cutting weight because I read some studies that said it slightly helps weight loss in subjects who were already on a diet and exercise routine. I mean, drinking a cup of coffee a day will do the same thing.
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That sounds like something that could definitely enhance ones ability to cut weight.

Sounds like a PED to me.
 
BigBadBruins said:
That sounds like something that could definitely enhance ones ability to cut weight.

Sounds like a PED to me.
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It's banned as an anabolic because it's a metabolite of DHEA. 7-keto has no anabolic effect, it works as a stimulant. Stimulants aren't banned out of competition, and most stimulants of similar effect to 7-keto aren't banned at all. Were it properly classified, Machida wouldn't have been violating the ADP by taking it when he did, and if he'd taken it in competition, he'd only have been subject to a 1 year ban.

Not everything that is a PED is on the list.
 
BigBadBruins said:
That sounds like something that could definitely enhance ones ability to cut weight.

Sounds like a PED to me.
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Whey protein and green tea show the same slight weight loss benefits too during clinical studies, should those be on the banned list too? Of course not. The effects of 7 keto are so slight it’s ridiculous.
 
Machida only missed one calendar year of competition and he’s going to fighting 3-4 times a year until he’s 45. Be glass half full, maybe the suspension made his career longer. He’s basically just fighting veterans and prospects here on out and is a championship level hall of famer. War Machida.
 
Afrikan said:
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if you Machida Fanboys finally own up to him losing to Rampage... the fact that he was backing up the whole fight and didn't do anything to deserve the win.

Done Deal

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I can agree he lost Rampage but he was robbed vs Davis. Agree?
 
TheIrishPsycho said:
Heres the problem though,

Machida popped for fucking nothing.

7-Ketodehydroepiandrosterone has no fucking PED use at all, you can buy it over the counter in many supplements and wasn't banned by any state athletic commission.

His suspension was utter bullshit of the highest order.

USADA ruins more careers than stop PED use, Josh Barnett recently joined the ranks of wrongly accused fighters, but not before having the short amount of time left in his career ruined. Machida didn't fight it because the idiot didn't have anyone around him to do that for him - its number 1 bullshit.

There is no need to even have the debate, he's not in the same category as Anderson or Jones.
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Come on brah, Barnett has popped like 3x besides this one. Just because he somehow found a way to get off this time it doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to his previous tests
 
DOMMA said:
Maybe I'm cynical but I have a hard time believing that Machida is not hammering PEDS
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His S&C program for the 'teh Chris' fight was eyebrow raising. He looked superhuman all for sudden.
 
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