Media Pros react to Fury vs Francis announcement

[don't ask]

https://boxing-social.com/news/tyson-fury-francis-ngannou-exhibition/

So you're repeating a rumour by a rival promoter from before the official announcement was made, but ignoring the official announcement said it would be "official boxing rules"?

Do I have that right?

 

[don't ask]

Call me crazy but Francis doesn't exactly strike me as a savvy businessman.

Are you on meth? In one year he talked himself into a major payday, became head of PFL's African expansion, and became a partial owner in the PFL while still free to pursue whatever outside interest he wants to? I can't think of many MMA fighters who have done better in business.

 

[goOb]

So you're repeating a rumour by a rival promoter from before the official announcement was made, but ignoring the official announcement said it would be "official boxing rules"?

Do I have that right?

That what I have heard, state what you've got to the contrary and I'll move on. Yawn...

 

[don't ask]

That what I have heard, state what you've got to the contrary and I'll move on. Yawn...

I did state what I've got to the contrary, you illiterate fu-- friend. You illiterate friend. The official announcement said the fight would be official boxing rules, but here you are sticking to outdated rumours as you shitpost all over the boards.

 

[kflo]

The Ali Act does not apply to MMA.

https://www.mmanews.com/news/former-fighter-ali-act

Yeah. May mac was a boxing match….

 

[scoobster]

McGregor had to give half his purse to the UFC for boxing. Is still locked into a UFC deal so he can't box Nate. And is now lowering himself to TUF reality shows.

I bet they paid him handsomely for the little work he did

 

[djacobox372]

Interesting how Francis is given ZERO chance against Fury... and people don't think that makes MMA look bad.

It's not like Francis has some brutal kicking, wrestling, or BJJ game... boxing is what he does, and that made him UFC champ. Yet he's supposedly so bad at it he doesn't even belong in the same ring as a real boxer.

 

[Huligani]

Do we live in a parallel universe where McG doesn't exist anymore?

MayMac was created by Mayweather Promotions and UFC.

 

[koquerelle]

MayMac was created by Mayweather Promotions and UFC.

You have a knack for stating the obvious. Congrats?

 

[Huligani]

You have a knack for stating the obvious. Congrats?

...therefore, McGregor didn't break out of UFC slavery chains like Francis now has.

 

[DapperDave]

U planning on buying this fight? Can't imagine anyone doing so..

Ding!

Lies and materialism have displaced truth and basic economics.

PFL doesn't make much revenue. They don't pay their fighters the advertised amounts, because they don't have it. The deal is everyone colludes to inflate advertised purses in order to hopefully build a bigger audience so that they can increase purses, because they think that advertising huge purses will attract legitimate buys. This little dilemma is what Uncle Dana was talking about when he made his little comment about Khabib's Eagle promotion. Expense vs. Revenue becomes a very hard reality when the main card starts, when you realize that no one is buying your broadcast.

re Fury: the PPV price will be higher than anyone wants to pay to watch Fury dismantle Ngannou.
Advertisers spend dollars wisely. They pay according to hard audience numbers.
If no one buys the PPV and advertising dollars are small, then the promotion won't make enough revenue to cover a fraction of the advertised purses, much less any other cost associated with promoting and running a sports event.

Clown world really is way too clowny way too often. People are naive.

 

[JakePaulMMA]

Do we live in a parallel universe where McG doesn't exist anymore?

We could only be so lucky.

 

[GeraltOfRivia]

I’m failing to see what good this does for Francis career.

still don’t know how much money he got but

it’s either:

A) an exhibition fight, which does nothing for anybody, nobody will care or watch ngannou not a draw anyway. Goes back to PFL irrelevance fighting janitors

B) a real fight in which case probably gets more money but is KOd in a minute, embarrasses himself, and disappears into even further irrelevance. Maybe continues fighting janitors in PFL.

tldr who gives a shit why is this a big deal

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Are you on meth? In one year he talked himself into a major payday, became head of PFL's African expansion, and became a partial owner in the PFL while still free to pursue whatever outside interest he wants to? I can't think of many MMA fighters who have done better in business.

I mean I don't like to jumpt conclusions of how well it will turn out for Francis even now BUT I think its pretty obvious a significant percentage of Sherdog are UFC hype drones who try to disguise it to varying degrees.

Anyone who is viewed as "an enemy of the brand" will be loathed by these people.

 

[10000yearsold]

Will they be implementing the boxing-pro-can’t-fight -back for the first 8 rounds that May Max adapted to carry the celebrity who doesn’t professionally box?

 

[don't ask]

I mean I don't like to jumpt conclusions of how well it will turn out for Francis even now BUT I think its pretty obvious a significant percentage of Sherdog are UFC hype drones who try to disguise it to varying degrees.

Anyone who is viewed as "an enemy of the brand" will be loathed by these people.

Brand loyalty is just something I can't understand. It's not even like they receive any compensation except for whatever fuzzy feelings they get from enforcing the superiority of the brand.

 

[PeterGriffin]

Brand loyalty is just something I can't understand. It's not even like they receive any compensation except for whatever fuzzy feelings they get from enforcing the superiority of the brand.

Same here. It makes no sense. I have always loved MMA, and I watch it for and support the fighters. I could give a rats ass about the welfare of the organization or it's owners, officers etc. An organization fails? It's fighters go elsewhere, and other organizations form, no big deal.

The UFC used to be exciting... before Dana and company sold out on everything they stood for. Remember back in the day... when rankings mattered? When the top fighters fought each other, when gimmick freakshow fights only happened in boxing. All the things Dana used to shit on boxing for, and now he has pulled a complete 180. If the UFC closed up shop tomorrow and folder, I could care less. Just a whole bunch of free agents that can go fight elsewhere, and regain control over their careers. Sometimes I wish it would happen. The UFC is just a bland and stale watered-down product now.

I want the PFL, and OneFC to succeed. I want fighters to fight as free agents each and every fight. I want fighters to be able to fight the best other fighters in their weight-class, regardless of organization or affiliation. I want fighters to be able to do what they need to to earn as much as they can during their limited careers. Yes, I am aware this is just a pipe dream, but honestly, it would be a fight fan's heaven. What Ngannou and Nate Diaz are doing now is a step in the right direction. It's not a solution, just a step. Fighters having success elsewhere outside of the UFC will make other fighters seriously contemplate other options.

Dana tried his absolute hardest to cock-block both Nate Diaz and Francis from being able to do that, and both resisted. Now, both Diaz and Ngannou stand to earn their biggest paydays ever in their respective careers, and outside of the UFC as well.

If anyone think Dana gives a shit about any fighter before himself, I have some prime real estate in downtown McMurdo Base to sell you. May/Mac was never going to happen until the UFC got their 30% from McGregor's purse. The UFC's HW champ boxing Fury was never going to happen. Until Francis made it happen on his own. How does the UFC respond? Dana's super-excited to make Jones vs. Fury a thing.

Amazing how things change when it is in his best interests and not the fighter's. Dana would be nothing without the break and opportunity that the Fertitta's gave him. You would think that would give him some clarity and perspective on what enabling others to try to do and achieve might result in. Rather than try to lift Ngannou up, they chose to beat him down and try to strangle him with an unfair contract.

I am actually quite glad Ngannou is accomplishing what he has been lately. And when he boxes Fury, he's almost certainly going to get humbled pretty quick. But he's living his dreams, on his terms. Just as much as I would like to see Diaz beat Jake Paul, I don't really expect it. Given how there has been some speculation about Paul's fights being works, the one thing I truly believe is that I just can't see either Diaz brother taking a dive just for a payday. Win or lose, I think everything will be above board in their fight.

A pro boxer boxes a MMA fighter in the ring? 95% of the time, the MMA guy loses. A pro boxer fights a mixed martial artist in an MMA fight? 99% of the time the boxer loses. Either way, it's pretty hard to look at the loss as a blemish on their record or tarnishes anyone's legacy. If the gypsy king KO's Big Frank, well, that should not come as a surprise to anyone.

The armchair quarterbacks pissing on Francis for the decisions he is making is laughable. The fighters are the ones spilling the blood, earning the wins and fans' hearts, wearing the losses and suffering their injuries for our enjoyment. Throwing your weight or support behind the organization makes no sense. Root for the fighters, not the ones controlling them. Go watch a Lakers/Bulls game. Or a 49'ers/Eagles game. Or a Habs/Bruins game. No one, and I mean no one... is in the stands cheering "Go NBA!", "You got this NFL!" or "Yay NHL!!". The sport should be about the players, just as MMA should be about the fighters, not the organization.

 

[Here's Johnny!]

And what exactly did he accomplish?
We dont even know the terms of the agreement.
The point is everyone is patting Francis on the back and we don't even know what he's making.
Call me crazy but Francis doesn't exactly strike me as a savvy businessman.

I want to preface my comment to you by saying I don't disagree with you. That said it's in Saudi Arabia some rich oil prince probably put like 10 million dollars minimum on the fight for his own amusement they are weird about money there they like to throw it around to prove their wealth... they don't even care if it makes money half the time it's like a rapper throwing a $10 million dollar party to them.

What Francis makes I have no idea.... I'd assume Fury makes more than Francis in this fight and Fury himself has never had a paycheck as big as Conors vs Floyd...

 

[Here's Johnny!]

Are you on meth? In one year he talked himself into a major payday, became head of PFL's African expansion, and became a partial owner in the PFL while still free to pursue whatever outside interest he wants to? I can't think of many MMA fighters who have done better in business.

If he is a partial owner of pfl, does he have financial risk at stake? I'm a partial owner of a company and I make money if it's profitable but I would have an obligation to pay my own money if we needed it for expenses .... profits and losses... p.s. idk if partial owner is like 1 % or 20% for Francis those are drastically different numbers... I mean if I buy stock in a publicly traded company I would be legally a partial owner but my risk would only be my initial investment in a company that isn't public that is on the owners... is pfl publicly traded?

 

[don't ask]

If he is a partial owner of pfl, does he have financial risk at stake? I'm a partial owner of a company and I make money if it's profitable but I would have an obligation to pay my own money if we needed it for expenses .... profits and losses... p.s. idk if partial owner is like 1 % or 20% for Francis those are drastically different numbers... I mean if I buy stock in a publicly traded company I would be legally a partial owner but my risk would only be my initial investment in a company that isn't public that is on the owners... is pfl publicly traded?

I don't have those details for you.