Media Pros react to Fury vs Francis announcement

Busgosu said:
MMA looks bad because champs need to get kod by boxers to get paid
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LiQuiD42 said:
I remember seeing this, lmfao. Imagine wearing all that shit, getting in the ring and losing... Costume is pretty killer for Halloween though.
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At least Wilder shows up for a fair fight and isnt the dirty cheating gypsy who says "if you ain't cheating you ain't trying "
 
i’ve read through this entire accursed thread including the original one from July 1, and people keep asking and I cannot figure out the following:

is or is not this a proper boxing match where one can knock out the other?

Can somebody state definitively because I just spent 30 minutes going through this whole damn thing hearing one thing or the other.

your royal fatness,
S
 
STRAWBOSS said:
i’ve read through this entire accursed thread including the original one from July 1, and people keep asking and I cannot figure out the following:

is or is not this a proper boxing match where one can knock out the other?

Can somebody state definitively because I just spent 30 minutes going through this whole damn thing hearing one thing or the other.

your royal fatness,
S
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Looks like a real boxing match, just Fury's title (WBC?) isn't on the line

The "no knockdown" lie came from a rival promoter who tried to leak the news & shit on the fight. It's amazing how many people ate it up (even though they likely decried the same promoter as a liar when he said Francis would get a big fight <Lmaoo>)

It may even be listed as an "exhibition" for legal purposes - nobody's ever explained to me how a fighter with 0 professional experience could fight any of the names Francis was suggested as fighting - but somehow it seems they've got it done (Arabs I guess? They'll act as the sanctioning body, presumably). Helwani tweeted (the tweet's in one of the threads) that it's a full contact fight, Queensbury rules; I trust him to have got that right, at least... but you may continue to see people question it/be misinformed about it as they lack your dilligence & curiousity
 
Uncertainly Principled said:
Looks like a real boxing match, just Fury's title (WBC?) isn't on the line

The "no knockdown" lie came from a rival promoter who tried to leak the news & shit on the fight. It's amazing how many people ate it up (even though they likely decried the same promoter as a liar when he said Francis would get a big fight <Lmaoo>)

It may even be listed as an "exhibition" for legal purposes - nobody's ever explained to me how a fighter with 0 professional experience could fight any of the names Francis was suggested as fighting - but somehow it seems they've got it done (Arabs I guess? They'll act as the sanctioning body, presumably). Helwani tweeted (the tweet's in one of the threads) that it's a full contact fight, Queensbury rules; I trust him to have got that right, at least... but you may continue to see people question it/be misinformed about it as they lack your dilligence & curiousity
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Legal purposes as in? So Francis can't sue after he gets the Drago treatment?
 
chimpoehurricane said:
Legal purposes as in? So Francis can't sue after he gets the Drago treatment?
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<Fedor23>
I honestly don't even know where to start looking to find out, but something I know about boxing associations/sanctioning bodies is that fighters pay to be a 'member' of an org (like the WBC, WBO etc), & those orgs only waive those fees or whatever when it's in their financial/sporting interest to do so... I guess that's (part of) why Fury's title isn't on the line

You may have heard that France wouldn't let Cedric Doumbe fight some guy in MMA because of a disparity between their records in MMA; legalities like that I don't know about & I thought may have come into play with Francis (as he's 0-0 I believe) but I don't know details & I guess they don't matter because it's happening in Saudi Arabia

I just think listing the fight as "an exhibition" means a bunch of legal technicalities get swerved... but yeah, those "legal technicalities" maybe only exist in my mind
<Fedor23>
 
Uncertainly Principled said:
Looks like a real boxing match, just Fury's title (WBC?) isn't on the line

The "no knockdown" lie came from a rival promoter who tried to leak the news & shit on the fight. It's amazing how many people ate it up (even though they likely decried the same promoter as a liar when he said Francis would get a big fight <Lmaoo>)

It may even be listed as an "exhibition" for legal purposes - nobody's ever explained to me how a fighter with 0 professional experience could fight any of the names Francis was suggested as fighting - but somehow it seems they've got it done (Arabs I guess? They'll act as the sanctioning body, presumably). Helwani tweeted (the tweet's in one of the threads) that it's a full contact fight, Queensbury rules; I trust him to have got that right, at least... but you may continue to see people question it/be misinformed about it as they lack your dilligence & curiousity
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my gosh thank you Sherbruh for the nicely detailed answer! i appreciate your time!
 
StonedLemur said:
The same way Conor was sold after being embarrassed by Floyd and only hitting once really hard.

Everyone knows MMA is a different animal, especially the boxers in these scenarios, which is why they don't ever want to fight in the cage.


Btw, it's *loses
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Selling Connor or selling Francis are 2 different completely scenarios and not even closely related. Francis have no charisma. If he fought UFC 5x in next 2 years thats 40 mill min....He better make bank on his boxing match cause it will be his only one after he gets outclassed. And we all know PFL can not match UFC money, they can not sustain what UFC offered. Not picking sides just observation that in the long run he would be better off with the UFC deal. Lets not forget Francis has had some crappy fights, he is not a mythical beast.
 
Uncertainly Principled said:
<Fedor23>
I honestly don't even know where to start looking to find out, but something I know about boxing associations/sanctioning bodies is that fighters pay to be a 'member' of an org (like the WBC, WBO etc), & those orgs only waive those fees or whatever when it's in their financial/sporting interest to do so... I guess that's (part of) why Fury's title isn't on the line

You may have heard that France wouldn't let Cedric Doumbe fight some guy in MMA because of a disparity between their records in MMA; legalities like that I don't know about & I thought may have come into play with Francis (as he's 0-0 I believe) but I don't know details & I guess they don't matter because it's happening in Saudi Arabia

I just think listing the fight as "an exhibition" means a bunch of legal technicalities get swerved... but yeah, those "legal technicalities" maybe only exist in my mind
<Fedor23>
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I heard about this. France not sanctioning it. Seem to be different than America. I know why but this seems more insane. Unpopular opinion but I think fury is one of the greatest to put on gloves. Francis windmills punches with his eyes clothes. Awful form. Great power.

I'm no fan of Francis. He acted like a diva at presser fight 1 with Stipe and afterwards having won the belt. Also with a ACL repair it's only a matter of time. Jones and Stipe in a rematch among other HW killers were coming. I can't argue with him getting paid.

More people have died in boxing than MMA. I think it's going to be good business for boxing but you can't get health back. It applies to the fight or mandates.

Thank you for your sharing. I'm no fan of Francis but I don't want a fatality nor him in a wheelchair. The sweet science is no joke. I remember Mercer KOing Sylvia's.
 
ditchbanger said:
Selling Connor or selling Francis are 2 different completely scenarios and not even closely related. Francis have no charisma. If he fought UFC 5x in next 2 years thats 40 mill min....He better make bank on his boxing match cause it will be his only one after he gets outclassed. And we all know PFL can not match UFC money, they can not sustain what UFC offered. Not picking sides just observation that in the long run he would be better off with the UFC deal. Lets not forget Francis has had some crappy fights, he is not a mythical beast.
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Forget outclassed. He gets hurt, pummeled into CTE or worse.

1Conor fight has more ppv buys than 10 of Francis' fights.

Francis had the hype of the ufc machine pushing him. He is a brawler with a wrecked knee. The outcome was going to be abysmal in ufc and worse in boxing. This time next year he will only be referenced from a shoop thread.
 
LiQuiD42 said:
You know, I use to think that MMA fans were the ones losing by not getting to see the Jones/Ngannou fight. Honestly though, deep down I know Jones was going to beat Ngannou. Maybe the universe saved me a bunch of money because now I don't have to pay to see that fight and I am definitely not paying to watch an exhibition with no knockdown rules. That's not fighting, that's sparring.
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Why do you think it has a no knockdown rule? Where is this coming from?
 
StonedLemur said:
Yes but the point is nobody asked for or wanted either fight.
The UFC carried it because they were pushing Conor to the moon.

Francis did this on his own.
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And what exactly did he accomplish?
We dont even know the terms of the agreement.
The point is everyone is patting Francis on the back and we don't even know what he's making.
Call me crazy but Francis doesn't exactly strike me as a savvy businessman.
 
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