Social Pro Trump activist refuses to wear mask on American A. flight, gets kicked out. Complains

[Zazen]

So dramatic, "we don't even have a choice anymore" lol. This guy must have such an incredibly easy life.

 

[Zazen]

The spirit of the constitution for me applies to all businesses..public or private..The lines between the two are blurred everyday..now more than ever..
Regarding comfort saying a decent mask is comfortable for everyone is just not accurate..everyone has a different comfort level for all kinds of different things..”comfort” is not universal..

As far as a proven measure...There are many highly respected MDs that don’t agree with the effectiveness of masks..Many even go as far as to say that reducing our O2 levels actually lower our immunity..

Facts are facts, and as long as reputable doctors have different opinions I will continue to question the science..

Dude you've linked nothing but conspiracy new age channels on this forum, nobody is buying your bullshit anymore.

 

[MicroBrew]

The spirit of the constitution for me applies to all businesses..public or private..The lines between the two are blurred everyday..now more than ever..
Regarding comfort saying a decent mask is comfortable for everyone is just not accurate..everyone has a different comfort level for all kinds of different things..”comfort” is not universal..

As far as a proven measure...There are many highly respected MDs that don’t agree with the effectiveness of masks..Many even go as far as to say that reducing our O2 levels actually lower our immunity..

Facts are facts, and as long as reputable doctors have different opinions I will continue to question the science..

Falling back on individual opinon is appeal to authority. What study has even found masks to reduce Oxygen intake , and what kind of mask was it?

 

[genecop]

"Unproven" is a strong claim.

Studies have shown it does help.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/19/cor...ansmission-by-75percent-new-study-claims.html

Wearing a face mask can reduce coronavirus transmission by up to 75%, study says
https://fox6now.com/2020/05/20/wear...-transmission-by-up-to-75-percent-study-says/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-some-coronaviruses-study-finds-idUSKBN21L2BW


Results: A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24-0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11-0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36-0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials, case-control studies and retrospective studies. Conclusions: This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks,

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.03.20051649v1.full.pdf

So if I offer up different opinions from qualified professionals , will you reconsider, or will you say those particular experts are wrong?

 

[MicroBrew]

So if I offer up different opinions from qualified professionals , will you reconsider, or will you say those particular experts are wrong?

See above reply.

 

[gondo]

Ugh, I forgot leftists only care about COVID when Trump supporters do it. According to them COVID doesnt affect millions of protesters rubbing shoulders, rioting and looting.

If there's a thread that needs to go to the TDS" Mega thread, this is it.

Out in the open compared to a cramped airplane with recirculated air. Travelling between cities. Solid comparison.

 

[Rational Poster]

The spirit of the constitution for me applies to all businesses..public or private..The lines between the two are blurred everyday..now more than ever..
Regarding comfort saying a decent mask is comfortable for everyone is just not accurate..everyone has a different comfort level for all kinds of different things..”comfort” is not universal..

As far as a proven measure...There are many highly respected MDs that don’t agree with the effectiveness of masks..Many even go as far as to say that reducing our O2 levels actually lower our immunity..

Facts are facts, and as long as reputable doctors have different opinions I will continue to question the science..

That's okay, you can just be wrong.

 

[genecop]

"Unproven" is a strong claim.

Studies have shown it does help.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/19/cor...ansmission-by-75percent-new-study-claims.html

Wearing a face mask can reduce coronavirus transmission by up to 75%, study says
https://fox6now.com/2020/05/20/wear...-transmission-by-up-to-75-percent-study-says/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-some-coronaviruses-study-finds-idUSKBN21L2BW


Results: A total of 21 studies met our inclusion criteria. Meta-analyses suggest that mask use provided a significant protective effect (OR = 0.35 and 95% CI = 0.24-0.51). Use of masks by healthcare workers (HCWs) and non-healthcare workers (Non-HCWs) can reduce the risk of respiratory virus infection by 80% (OR = 0.20, 95% CI = 0.11-0.37) and 47% (OR = 0.53, 95% CI = 0.36-0.79). The protective effect of wearing masks in Asia (OR = 0.31) appeared to be higher than that of Western countries (OR = 0.45). Masks had a protective effect against influenza viruses (OR = 0.55), SARS (OR = 0.26), and SARS-CoV-2 (OR = 0.04). In the subgroups based on different study designs, protective effects of wearing mask were significant in cluster randomized trials, case-control studies and retrospective studies. Conclusions: This study adds additional evidence of the enhanced protective value of masks,

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.03.20051649v1.full.pdf

Are Face Masks Effective Against COVID-19?
The Cleveland Clinic says that gloves do not provide immunity from viruses, and it doesn't permit you to touch everything within reach. Furthermore, germs that come in contact with your gloves could be transferred to all the other surfaces you touch.

Now, even face masks face the same critique as Dr. Blaylock says that exhaled viruses would not be given a chance to escape if wearing a mask. He says that the virus would further concentrate and circulate within the nasal passages and could eventually travel into the brain.

According to Dr. Blaylock, there have been no studies conducted to establish that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has an impact on the transmission of the coronavirus. It was not until recently that the Commission on Disease Control and Prevention changed its guidelines for wearing face masks.

Previously, they only advised sick people to wear protective masks, but now they encourage everyone to wear them when out in public since it has been found out that some could be asymptomatic carriers of the virus. The CDC also has guidelines for wearing cloth masks to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

 

[MicroBrew]

Are Face Masks Effective Against COVID-19?
The Cleveland Clinic says that gloves do not provide immunity from viruses, and it doesn't permit you to touch everything within reach. Furthermore, germs that come in contact with your gloves could be transferred to all the other surfaces you touch.

Now, even face masks face the same critique as Dr. Blaylock says that exhaled viruses would not be given a chance to escape if wearing a mask. He says that the virus would further concentrate and circulate within the nasal passages and could eventually travel into the brain.

According to Dr. Blaylock, there have been no studies conducted to establish that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has an impact on the transmission of the coronavirus. It was not until recently that the Commission on Disease Control and Prevention changed its guidelines for wearing face masks.

Previously, they only advised sick people to wear protective masks, but now they encourage everyone to wear them when out in public since it has been found out that some could be asymptomatic carriers of the virus. The CDC also has guidelines for wearing cloth masks to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

And yet first responders all over the workd are wearing masks and in some cases shield too. If you want to use the claims of a few doctors, I can just as easily point to the norm in hospitals worldwide.

 

[Holic]

Ugh, I forgot leftists only care about COVID when Trump supporters do it. According to them COVID doesnt affect millions of protesters rubbing shoulders, rioting and looting.

As if being outside is the same as being in a confined space.

 

[MicroBrew]

Are they inside or outside?
Are then inside private property?

 

[MicroBrew]

Are Face Masks Effective Against COVID-19?
The Cleveland Clinic says that gloves do not provide immunity from viruses, and it doesn't permit you to touch everything within reach. Furthermore, germs that come in contact with your gloves could be transferred to all the other surfaces you touch.

Now, even face masks face the same critique as Dr. Blaylock says that exhaled viruses would not be given a chance to escape if wearing a mask. He says that the virus would further concentrate and circulate within the nasal passages and could eventually travel into the brain.

According to Dr. Blaylock, there have been no studies conducted to establish that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has an impact on the transmission of the coronavirus. It was not until recently that the Commission on Disease Control and Prevention changed its guidelines for wearing face masks.

Previously, they only advised sick people to wear protective masks, but now they encourage everyone to wear them when out in public since it has been found out that some could be asymptomatic carriers of the virus. The CDC also has guidelines for wearing cloth masks to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

There was a study done at the Hospital in Wuhan; they found that medical staff who wore masks had NO cases of infection while a significant number of medical staff who were not wearing masks did become infected, despite the former being the most exposed to the virus.
https://www.livescience.com/respirators-prevent-coronavirus-infection-study.html

Re. bolded sentence below; pretty telling.

"The medical staff in our hospital has not realized that the 'flu' was caused by a novel coronavirus named SARS-CoV-2 (2019-nCoV) with high risk of transmission," senior author Dr. Xinghuan Wang, a director and professor in the Department of Urology at the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University, told Live Science in an email. "Therefore, at that time, the medical staff (especially surgical doctors and nurses) [did] not wear any kind of mask when talking to patients without fever," and they only wore medical masks while delivering treatment or surgery, he said.

As Wang's study revealed, rates of infection differed between doctors and nurses with respirators and those without.

Specifically, the authors examined data collected from Jan. 2-22 at six departments within the Zhongnan Hospital. Within the 10-day period, the hospital treated 28 individuals with confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 58 "suspicious" cases. The medical staff in each department followed different safety protocols when treating the patients.

About 280 medical staff in the hospital's Respiratory, ICU and Infectious Diseases departments wore N95 respirators and washed their hands frequently, while about 215 in the departments of Hepatobiliary Pancreatic Surgery, Trauma and Microsurgery, and Urology wore no masks and disinfected their hands less frequently. Although the respirator group encountered confirmed cases more often than the unmasked group — more than 730% more often — no one in the respirator group became infected.

In comparison, 10 people in the unmasked group contracted the novel disease, despite treating fewer infected patients.

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If masks were of little efficacy, I wouldn't expect Chinese doctors (in Wuhan) to beg for more masks.

China’s Doctors, Fighting the Coronavirus, Beg for Masks
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/world/asia/china-coronavirus-doctors.html

 

[Holic]

Are they inside or outside?
Are then inside private property?

They are outside and they are literally on top of each other you dishonest shit.

 

[MicroBrew]

They are outside and they are literally on top of each other you dishonest shit.

You are the dishonest hack for trying to equate a private entity requiring face masks to people out in a public space.

 

[Jar of Flies]

What a brave hero. This guy should go down in history right next to Rosa Parks for his bold act of defiance.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Conservatives are fine with a business' right to deny service to anyone for any reason until its their stupid asses being denied service.

Is normal.

 

[Holic]

You are the dishonest hack for trying to equate a private entity requiring face masks to people out in a public space.

Well heres the plane

And here's the public space

So unless you're saying I've faked these photos I got no clue wtf to tell you, especially since you're the one who made this comparison in the first place.

 

[Hadron90]

Are they inside or outside?
Are then inside private property?

You are such a clown. You spent months crowing over anyone poking their head out the window, and now you are pretending its 100% ok.

That is how stupid the US response has been. It took Florida forever to issue stay at home orders and close the beaches. This foot dragging has hurt us dearly.

Well people have been flouting stay at home rules and lockdowns despite what a State says. In many States we all saw those protests agains the lockdowns, of people going to lakes and beaches and bars and not always keeping their distance from others. And we also have some people who refuse to wear masks. So I don't think you can lay the blame on just the Mn State officials. Starting this month more and people are just saying to hell with it all and doing their own thing.

I will say though if the street you are walking has enough foot traffic such that you are invariably going to within a few feet of other people, then I see no problem with State governments requiring you to wear a mask, same goes for congested parks.

Miami Beach park closed after nearly 7,500 warned about not wearing masks

All they had to do was wear a mask to enjoy the outdoors, but that was asking too much for 7500 people.

 

[MicroBrew]

You are such a clown. You spent months crowing over anyone poking their head out the window, and now you are pretending its 100% ok.

No shit I was supporting social distancing earlier, because infection rates were exponentional . Things have changed more recently.

Do you not understand that the situation in June is not the same as the situation in March , April and May.

 

[Holic]

Conservatives are fine with a business' right to deny service to anyone for any reason

Conservatives have been on board with civil rights law for over 4 decades now.

until its their stupid asses being denied service.

Or you know, when the reason for being denied the service is based on a straight up fuckin lie