Pro life hypocrisy?

[A_bomb47]

Yeh, pro lifers are one thing. Pro lifers who are pro war, anti welfare and anti birth control are hilarious. Let the kids grow up with parents who shouldn't be anywhere near children in poverty. Then when they grow up and make poor life decisions we can judge them too. Praise the lord!

To me it's strange that these people want to force unfit parents to raise an unwanted baby. What good can come from that?
Or is the government supposed going to take care of these babies?

 

[Gazwald]

To me it's strange that these people want to force unfit parents to raise an unwanted baby. What good can come from that?
Or is the government supposed going to take care of these babies?

Half of them actively want government support for these babies to be withdrawn completely. They're also against birth control which prevents these kind of situations happening in the first place. It defies logic. But what can you say to someone who talks to an invisible man who tells them what to do/not do with their genitals.

 

[peytonlucy]

I think that to be pro life one has to be against war, death penalty and military interventions wich will result in deaths etc.

I'm pro life, anti-death penalty but realize that wars can be necessary. For example, Germany invades Poland in WWII. Poland needs to fight.

 

[Avon]

I'm not anti-choice at all, but the arguments used by the pro-choice people to demonize pro-life is for the most part bullshit. That said the hardcore pro-life groups are very much hypocrites, but not for the reasons stated by the OP. The fetus matters until it's born, then it's everyone for himself again. Moral law for all! But when it comes to taking care of the unfortunate, as the bible clearly emphasis, it becomes a personal decision for everyone to make for himself. You can't be a staunch fiscal conservative, and a strong pro-lifer.

 

[ReAnimator Reagan]

Yes, because most pregnancies aren't spontaneously aborted, seemingly by God, without the mother even knowing. Why does God hate babies?

You are too stupid to answer. Sometimes due to natural circumstances there is a miscarriage. God is not miracling a fucking abortion. You are simple and your arguments are dumb as fuck like everything you post on here is dumb as fuck.

Using you fucking stupid logic then consensual intercourse is the same as rape---god did both of them since he made the universe
tracking down a person and torturing them to death is the same as dying of cancer.

Yes, God gave us bodies and a universe and life and they are finite and experience entropy. Deal with it.

Your stupidity is stupid.

but it's death is justified, right? But not if there is no war and the mother decides to end it for whatever reason.

1st off, lets get one thing straight so pro life vs pro abortion.
One side wants to murder unborn babies and the other does not.

Which view is better and more moral?

The rest of your shit is dumb as fuck. Oh there is war so fuck the world.

I hate to tell you but if you are taking pro life to be christians, then it is not hypocritical at all. We never claim there to be a man made utopia (everyone who promised that and put it into action murdered 10s of millions).

War is not against Christianity. We actually try to make a "just war". There is a big difference between actively targeting non combants vs bombing. In every fucking war innocents die. That is life. That is why if we fight a war it should be a good reason with the reason being it will save more lives than if we don't.
You know who elected Hilter???? The German people. To some degree they are guilty of that and he brought war to them. Same with the japanese.

So yeah, we could have hid in an assball like you do and not fought germany and then germany could have taken over the world and exterminated most of the population. Somehow I think it is better we fought them.
As far as fighting communism, not including war, communism has MURDERED over 100 million people. I think it is good we fight that shit as well.

People like you are absolutely the most worthless and most pathological and naive. There is no perfect answer. But at least Christians try to make it the best as possible and a lot of that is due to life being God given. Shit, some of us even try to get people not executed by the electric chair.

There is no reason to think that war does not exist or that we should not fight one under any condition.

So sorry, not hypocritical.

Now go back to being pathetic and crying like a bitch made

 

[Bloodworth]

Going to war to kill bad backwards subhumans who have committed evil is not wrong.

Killing bad people is not wrong

Now how can you compare killing people who have comitted evil acts to a baby who is pure. No evil acts commited.

Abortion was created and used to stop cultures who over breed and do not produce successful as citizens.
So much so it damages society

 

[meauneau]

You are too stupid to answer. Sometimes due to natural circumstances there is a miscarriage. God is not miracling a fucking abortion. You are simple and your arguments are dumb as fuck like everything you post on here is dumb as fuck.

Using you fucking stupid logic then consensual intercourse is the same as rape---god did both of them since he made the universe
tracking down a person and torturing them to death is the same as dying of cancer.

Yes, God gave us bodies and a universe and life and they are finite and experience entropy. Deal with it.

Your stupidity is stupid.



1st off, lets get one thing straight so pro life vs pro abortion.
One side wants to murder unborn babies and the other does not.

Which view is better and more moral?

The rest of your shit is dumb as fuck. Oh there is war so fuck the world.

I hate to tell you but if you are taking pro life to be christians, then it is not hypocritical at all. We never claim there to be a man made utopia (everyone who promised that and put it into action murdered 10s of millions).

War is not against Christianity. We actually try to make a "just war". There is a big difference between actively targeting non combants vs bombing. In every fucking war innocents die. That is life. That is why if we fight a war it should be a good reason with the reason being it will save more lives than if we don't.
You know who elected Hilter???? The German people. To some degree they are guilty of that and he brought war to them. Same with the japanese.

So yeah, we could have hid in an assball like you do and not fought germany and then germany could have taken over the world and exterminated most of the population. Somehow I think it is better we fought them.
As far as fighting communism, not including war, communism has MURDERED over 100 million people. I think it is good we fight that shit as well.

People like you are absolutely the most worthless and most pathological and naive. There is no perfect answer. But at least Christians try to make it the best as possible and a lot of that is due to life being God given. Shit, some of us even try to get people not executed by the electric chair.

There is no reason to think that war does not exist or that we should not fight one under any condition.

So sorry, not hypocritical.

Now go back to being pathetic and crying like a bitch made

One side wants to allow women to stop a baby from coming into the world. The other murders babies who were born. The later is justified because it is a just war and they are Christians. Lol.

If there is a good reason, then war is justified and all the babies killed is justifed too. But a woman choosing not to allow a baby from coming into existence is wrong. Lol.

I never said I am against war or pro choice. You built a number of strawmen there.

 

[meauneau]

Going to war to kill bad backwards subhumans who have committed evil is not wrong.

Killing bad people is not wrong

Now how can you compare killing people who have comitted evil acts to a baby who is pure. No evil acts commited.

Abortion was created and used to stop cultures who over breed and do not produce successful as citizens.
So much so it damages society

Did you even read any posts? We are referring to the innocents who get killed in wars. Some say their deaths is justified because Christians wage just wars.

 

[meauneau]

I'm pro life, anti-death penalty but realize that wars can be necessary. For example, Germany invades Poland in WWII. Poland needs to fight.

Against abortion, against euthanasia but in favour of causing the death of hundreds of innocent people be it accidental or not.

 

[Bloodworth]

Did you even read any posts? We are referring to the innocents who get killed in wars. Some say their deaths is justified because Christians wage just wars.

Innocents get killed in wars because of what the bad guy started.

How many places did Christians kill innocents where the people there were not doing it to each other before

 

[panamaican]

I'm not anti-choice at all, but the arguments used by the pro-choice people to demonize pro-life is for the most part bullshit. That said the hardcore pro-life groups are very much hypocrites, but not for the reasons stated by the OP. The fetus matters until it's born, then it's everyone for himself again. Moral law for all! But when it comes to taking care of the unfortunate, as the bible clearly emphasis, it becomes a personal decision for everyone to make for himself. You can't be a staunch fiscal conservative, and a strong pro-lifer.

I think that summarizes it nicely.

Pre-birth there's this overwhelming desire to tell people what's right/wrong and use government to force them to undertake specific actions that they don't want to take. Post-birth, suddenly no one should force people to undertake specific actions they don't want to take and we shouldn't use government to make people to do things they don't want to do.

 

[Shoemaker]

Is that a yes, a no or a I am too embarrassed to respond with a clear answer?

The two things I mentioned weren't related to each other, and nothing I said indicated they were. I didn't answer your question because of it's bad premise.

 

[hillelslovak87]

You are too stupid to answer. Sometimes due to natural circumstances there is a miscarriage. God is not miracling a fucking abortion. You are simple and your arguments are dumb as fuck like everything you post on here is dumb as fuck.

Using you fucking stupid logic then consensual intercourse is the same as rape---god did both of them since he made the universe
tracking down a person and torturing them to death is the same as dying of cancer.

Yes, God gave us bodies and a universe and life and they are finite and experience entropy. Deal with it.

Your stupidity is stupid.



1st off, lets get one thing straight so pro life vs pro abortion.
One side wants to murder unborn babies and the other does not.

Which view is better and more moral?

The rest of your shit is dumb as fuck. Oh there is war so fuck the world.

I hate to tell you but if you are taking pro life to be christians, then it is not hypocritical at all. We never claim there to be a man made utopia (everyone who promised that and put it into action murdered 10s of millions).

War is not against Christianity. We actually try to make a "just war". There is a big difference between actively targeting non combants vs bombing. In every fucking war innocents die. That is life. That is why if we fight a war it should be a good reason with the reason being it will save more lives than if we don't.
You know who elected Hilter???? The German people. To some degree they are guilty of that and he brought war to them. Same with the japanese.

So yeah, we could have hid in an assball like you do and not fought germany and then germany could have taken over the world and exterminated most of the population. Somehow I think it is better we fought them.
As far as fighting communism, not including war, communism has MURDERED over 100 million people. I think it is good we fight that shit as well.

People like you are absolutely the most worthless and most pathological and naive. There is no perfect answer. But at least Christians try to make it the best as possible and a lot of that is due to life being God given. Shit, some of us even try to get people not executed by the electric chair.

There is no reason to think that war does not exist or that we should not fight one under any condition.

So sorry, not hypocritical.

Now go back to being pathetic and crying like a bitch made

I'm too stupid to answer, followed by an attempt at an answer. Good start.

If God is principally responsible for all the successful births, he must also be responsible for the births that did not come to term. I have heard so many christian women say that they did not create their child, but God did. So, either God is engaging in quality control with our species, or God cannot control these supposedly evil bodies of these women spontaneously aborting their "babies".

Your paragraph on rape seems an answer to a question not posed.

Who is at fault for the roughly 25% of all abortions that are seemingly terminated by God? And why, out of these terminations, would God not even let the women know she was pregnant over half the time?

Occam's razor cuts clean in this instance.

We have the scientific explanation

http://publish.uwo.ca/~kennedyt/t108.pdf

And then we have the Godly explanation.

The former answers the questions pretty clearly, and fairly easy.

The latter gives us nothing but further questions.

 

[hillelslovak87]

It seems like you're bitter.

Practically everything you bring up has logical answers including the fallen nature of mankind in this case. And sin having consequence.

The only thing in our talks that I'm not fully sure on is future prophetic fulfillment.

Talking about sin and fallen natures is not logical, it is merely an assertion, trodded forth without any real data. If you want to assert these things, 100% of the logical, rhetorical, and demonstrable work likes before you.

Your book offers no prophetic fulfillment, considering your Messiah failed at his mission: To enact the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth within the lifetimes of his disciples who walked with him. He could have not been any more clear in his divinely ordained gospels.

 

[Iceberg Slim]

I'm not for abortion or war. But I'm also not for the government making abortion illegal. If a person is shitty enough to kill their own child, I'm ok with accepting that they are not of reproducing quality. On the flip side, there would be no reason for a woman to abort my child. If she didn't want it, I would take care of it. If a woman did abort my child, I might abort her, not 100% sure. Probably not but would be considered. But I still don't want the gov putting people in prison over it though.

Just because a person thinks the government has no business getting involved in certain things doesn't mean the person is for those things. I'm against prostitution but I think it's none of the government's business what reasons a person has for having sex an prostitution should be legal.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Or am I a potato?

You are

 

[meauneau]

You are

Why?

 

[dontsnitch]

I didn't watch that specific video, but I've heard Shapiro make the "conception" argument.

I think that if a woman wants an abortion in the third trimester, she should get c-section and pay the medical bills until the child is viable.

And believe it or not, I think abortion is morally reprehensible. But it's something that I also think should be legal and available for women.

I more or less agree with you, I'm just noting that the "life begins at conception" argument is the mirror opposite of "life begins at birth" argument.

 

[BEER]

I more or less agree with you, I'm just noting that the "life begins at conception" argument is the mirror opposite of "life begins at birth" argument.

I've only seen ridiculous extremists argue that point. "Life begins at conception" is an argument made by almost every pro-lifer there is.

 

[hillelslovak87]

You are too stupid to answer. Sometimes due to natural circumstances there is a miscarriage. God is not miracling a fucking abortion. You are simple and your arguments are dumb as fuck like everything you post on here is dumb as fuck.

Using you fucking stupid logic then consensual intercourse is the same as rape---god did both of them since he made the universe
tracking down a person and torturing them to death is the same as dying of cancer.

Yes, God gave us bodies and a universe and life and they are finite and experience entropy. Deal with it.

Your stupidity is stupid.



1st off, lets get one thing straight so pro life vs pro abortion.
One side wants to murder unborn babies and the other does not.

Which view is better and more moral?

The rest of your shit is dumb as fuck. Oh there is war so fuck the world.

I hate to tell you but if you are taking pro life to be christians, then it is not hypocritical at all. We never claim there to be a man made utopia (everyone who promised that and put it into action murdered 10s of millions).

War is not against Christianity. We actually try to make a "just war". There is a big difference between actively targeting non combants vs bombing. In every fucking war innocents die. That is life. That is why if we fight a war it should be a good reason with the reason being it will save more lives than if we don't.
You know who elected Hilter???? The German people. To some degree they are guilty of that and he brought war to them. Same with the japanese.

So yeah, we could have hid in an assball like you do and not fought germany and then germany could have taken over the world and exterminated most of the population. Somehow I think it is better we fought them.
As far as fighting communism, not including war, communism has MURDERED over 100 million people. I think it is good we fight that shit as well.

People like you are absolutely the most worthless and most pathological and naive. There is no perfect answer. But at least Christians try to make it the best as possible and a lot of that is due to life being God given. Shit, some of us even try to get people not executed by the electric chair.

There is no reason to think that war does not exist or that we should not fight one under any condition.

So sorry, not hypocritical.

Now go back to being pathetic and crying like a bitch made

Come on, fucker. You're always so quick to reply with anger and fury, defend your shitty position.........