Pro life hypocrisy?

[Shoemaker]

I have no problem with abortions in the first trimester (or at any point if the choice is between the life of the baby or the life of the mother) and I'd be be more lenient if the person was the victim of rape.

And if a war is necessary then it's necessary. I'm sure the allies were responsible for more than a few civilian casualties during WWII, but that doesn't mean we weren't just in fighting it.

 

[splendica]

Even in Jesus' times it was understood that goverments are there to protect and make hard decisions at the appropriate time.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

I disagre. based on the fact that sometimes war is unfortunate but necessary to save lives. WW2 for ex.

And on the flip side I could make the argument which I'm sure someone already else has.
How can 'you' be okay with killing an unborn child but you're not okay with the death penalty.

I'm pro choice

 

[RockstarChris]

Isn't it paradoxical or even contradictory to be pro life and yet support wars and interventions which result in loss of life? Stopping a child from being born is wrong but going to war/military intervention that results in many deaths is not wrong? Or can they both be justified thus not always wrong?

I think that to be pro life one has to be against war, death penalty and military interventions wich will result in deaths etc.

Or am I a potato?

so are you comparing unborn children to war criminals?

thats rather harsh

 

[helltoupee]

Yeah, because when you see a 6 month pregnant woman on the streets you say "So when is the fetus due", or "is the fetus kicking?"

Dehumanizing a baby down to the status of 'fetus' makes it okay for the pro-choice crowd to justify their stance for the murder of unborn kids...but yeah, lecture us about morality...

I only agree with abortion under certain, limited circumstances. And yet, I am still able to recognize the biological difference between a fetus, and a baby.

I don't agree with the pro-life agenda of subverting sex education, family planning, and contraceptives, so maybe if they dropped the inconsistencies, they'd have more proponents.

 

[helltoupee]

so are you comparing unborn children to war criminals?

thats rather harsh

Only criminals die in war?

thats rather stupid

 

[Cooz]

Isn't it a little hypocritical to not want your brains to be made into scrambled eggs yet your ok doing it to helpless defenseless babies?

They aren't always just cells. Sometimes little baby arms go in the dumpster.

In my eyes it's yet another symptom of a dying culture. Abortion, and electric scooters at grocery stores.

I sometimes lose track between you and this other really stupid poster. So I can't tell if this is the dumbest thing you've said. you equate abortion to electric scooters? You're a monster.

 

[RockstarChris]

Only criminals die in war?

thats rather stupid

why is an unborn child being equated to a person who dies in war? Fetuses have not declared war on anyone as of yet.

 

[helltoupee]

why is an unborn child being equated to a person who dies in war? Fetuses have not declared war on anyone as of yet.

What about the unborn child who was killed by a bomb during war? Who did they declare war against?

 

[RockstarChris]

What about the unborn child who was killed by a bomb during war? Who did they declare war against?

nobody. just because unborn children die in war doesnt mean we need to execute them all.

 

[dontsnitch]

No he doesn't.

He makes the same mistake all conservatives make when arguing against abortion, and that is the failure to realize the difference between the left and the right, on the issue, is a philosophical one.

People vary on when they believe an embryo/fetus becomes a "person". That isn't a scientific answer. The best we can give, scientifically, are milestones during pregnancy. At what point is there brain function? At what point is there a heartbeat? At what point can a fetus feel pain? Etc...

And then some people draw the line at conception with no reason other than "it's life bro".

Abortion is complicated in nature, but one can accept that abortion is okay early on in the pregnancy but that it's not okay late in the pregnancy. To "abort" a fully formed baby in the third trimester is pretty sinister, I think you have to give Shapiro that without needing to concede that a fetus is a baby at the moment of conception.

 

[helltoupee]

nobody. just because unborn children die in war doesnt mean we need to execute them all.

So you are ok with executing some, but not others, which is literally how pro-choice approaches abortion.

 

[Thunderflash500]

I sometimes lose track between you and this other really stupid poster. So I can't tell if this is the dumbest thing you've said. you equate abortion to electric scooters? You're a monster.

I don't have time for people who use the limit of their mental capacity to deliberately misunderstand my statements.

 

[RockstarChris]

So you are ok with executing some, but not others, which is literally how pro-choice approaches abortion.

no we should save all unborn children.

 

[helltoupee]

no we should save all unborn children.

You are contradicting yourself:

why is an unborn child being equated to a person who dies in war? Fetuses have not declared war on anyone as of yet.

 

[Cooz]

I don't have time for people who use the limit of their mental capacity to deliberately misunderstand my statements.

use better words homey

 

[Thunderflash500]

use better words homey

What I posted accurately reflects my thoughts.

 

[SomebodyElse]

To get a better idea of what is being suggested here, a legal-style hypothetical:

A woman is 5 & 1/2-months pregnant. A reckless young man runs a red light and collides with her while they are both driving. The women is essentially unharmed, but the fear and psychological trauma of the accident induces a miscarriage.

How is the young man charged? Murder, Assault, or failing to obey the traffic signal?




If you don't like hypothetical questions, how about the real-world case of Ariel Castro. He kept several women as prisoners for over 10 years, and after one would become pregnant repeatedly, he would force a miscarriage each time. He was charged and convicted on these forced miscarriages as "Feticides".

Do you think he should have been found "Not Guilty" on those counts?





In a real mind-twister ... the answer to the first question is Murder in one of the most liberal states in the union. California actually carries a potential death penalty for causing a miscarriage in a woman who is still legally eligible to abort.

 

[ocfightfan]

If you think that letting evil conquer the world is a better plan for life then I think you are crazy.

 

[Codpiece]

Pro-life doesn't mean no one should ever die ever....


This is one of the dumbest arguments the left uses unironically. Thinking an unborn child shouldn't be killed because their parents aren't responsible enough to keep their legs closed with protection doesn't mean we are hypocrites for thinking someone proven guilty of triple homicide deserves to die.

This shouldn't even have to be explained.


The real question is, why does the left have a problem with sentencing people who have committed violent murder to death and oppose us killing murderous terrorists...but they believe killing an unborn child is a absolute human right.

Great post.