Prime vs Prime arguments are idiotic

Prazeres said:
Not every elite athlete improves who reaches the top adapts their game to stay amongst the best. Take Anthony Pettis, great athlete who became champion at only 26 years, once he started fighting fighters who could exploits the holes in his games, he didn't fix them and kept being a win won lose one fighters for years afterward.
Also Shavkat isn't a great exemple of a guy that's at the cutting edge of the MMA meta, he's over reliant on body locks takedowns which aren't the most effective to impose his grappling and he's got very poor head mouvement.
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I think Pettis main downfall was multiple knee injuries. Guys are just never the same once their knees go.
 
Dagestanaev said:
Every time I see people trying to make these "pound-for-pound across eras" comparisons, it just shows they don’t understand what they’re talking about. You can’t seriously compare GSP with today’s welterweights like Shavkat or Islam. The sport evolved, the training evolved, the information evolved. If GSP were active today, he’d also evolve with it. That’s how elite athletes work.

Same with BJ Penn. People laugh now, but BJ was a prodigy for his time, BJJ world champion, great boxing, heart of a lion. You can’t compare him directly to Khabib or Topuria. Of course a modern-day BJ Penn would know how to deal with Dagestani-style wrestling, because that style is mainstream now. Back then, it didn’t even exist in MMA the way it does today.

And don’t even start with the Ken Shamrock comparisons. Guys say “Khamzat would smash Ken in one round.” Sure, the 1990s Ken didn’t have access to twenty years of evolution in wrestling, cage control, sports science, and recovery. But Ken helped invent this sport. He was one of the original mixed martial artists who laid the foundation for what we have now. Without guys like him, there’s no Khamzat, no Cormier, no modern MMA. And no Shettards.

Comparing eras pound-for-pound is just idiotic lazy thinking, very Sherdogger. The sport doesn’t stay static. Fighters adapt to their environment. GSP, BJ, Ken, they were products and pioneers of their time. If they were born later, they’d be learning the same techniques everyone praises today. Context matters.

Kudos to the real pioneers: Shamrocks, Gracies, Ruas, Funaki, Suzuki, Bas, Igor, Saku, Coleman, Severn, Frye, Kerr, Wanderlei, Vitor
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Prime Khamzat would smesh Ken Shamrock in his prime.

Prime GSP would beat all the WWs today, wtf you going on about? lol like Jack Madalenna is not getting wrestlefucked by Georges.

lol @ guys like Belal, Brady, Shavkat, Leon, Colby, Usman, Prates having anything for Georges. Usman may have been a tough test but that's it out of that whole list.

There's only 1 WW that has come along since Georges left that I would say had a great shot of beating Georges and it's Khamzat. That's it.
 
chinarice said:
Prime Khamzat would smesh Ken Shamrock in his prime.

Prime GSP would beat all the WWs today, wtf you going on about? lol like Jack Madalenna is not getting wrestlefucked by Georges.

lol @ guys like Belal, Brady, Shavkat, Leon, Colby, Usman, Prates having anything for Georges. Usman may have been a tough test but that's it out of that whole list.

There's only 1 WW that has come along since Georges left that I would say had a great shot of beating Georges and it's Khamzat. That's it.
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You don't get the point. A 90s Khamzat doesn't have any chance against Ken
 
I actually want to see what Kamaru Usman trained under Miletich Fighting Systems would have looked like.
 
Yes they are. There’s no objective way to approach it, just people’s biases and fantasies.
 
Dagestanaev said:
Every time I see people trying to make these "pound-for-pound across eras" comparisons, it just shows they don’t understand what they’re talking about. You can’t seriously compare GSP with today’s welterweights like Shavkat or Islam. The sport evolved, the training evolved, the information evolved. If GSP were active today, he’d also evolve with it. That’s how elite athletes work.

Same with BJ Penn. People laugh now, but BJ was a prodigy for his time, BJJ world champion, great boxing, heart of a lion. You can’t compare him directly to Khabib or Topuria. Of course a modern-day BJ Penn would know how to deal with Dagestani-style wrestling, because that style is mainstream now. Back then, it didn’t even exist in MMA the way it does today.

And don’t even start with the Ken Shamrock comparisons. Guys say “Khamzat would smash Ken in one round.” Sure, the 1990s Ken didn’t have access to twenty years of evolution in wrestling, cage control, sports science, and recovery. But Ken helped invent this sport. He was one of the original mixed martial artists who laid the foundation for what we have now. Without guys like him, there’s no Khamzat, no Cormier, no modern MMA. And no Shettards.

Comparing eras pound-for-pound is just idiotic lazy thinking, very Sherdogger. The sport doesn’t stay static. Fighters adapt to their environment. GSP, BJ, Ken, they were products and pioneers of their time. If they were born later, they’d be learning the same techniques everyone praises today. Context matters.

Kudos to the real pioneers: Shamrocks, Gracies, Ruas, Funaki, Suzuki, Bas, Igor, Saku, Coleman, Severn, Frye, Kerr, Wanderlei, Vitor
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Well said
 
Finally, the white belt who ends p4p discussion.



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You are the 200006th anatomy.
 
Dagestanaev said:
Maybe I have Halloween fetish
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When they buried her in the family plot the grave digger people thought it was a headstone instead of a foot stone and nearly put her on top of her cousin. Are you sure you got it right?
 
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