Prime Rumble vs Jiri: Who wins?

[djacobox372]

Although honestly I don't think Rumble's cardio is THAT big an issue, at least not since he stopped cutting massive amounts of weight, he's won fights like Davis which went long and indeed recently in Bellator even won a comeback fight standing.

Rumble's weakness really is that he's horrible off of his back, just totally folds mentally.

Davis put almost ZERO pressure on him, it was a walk in the park.

 

[SubsmotherLMJVG]

Both are (or were in prime Rumble's case) fierce, but Rumble was faster and much better technically. He didn't eat nearly as many big shots, either.[/QUOTE

my first guess is rumble because power and jiris poor defense. but he wilts really fast when things don’t go his way, and jiri is both durable and unpredictable. so it’s a toss-up.

overall, i think jiri and rumble are in the same boat—extremely talented, extremely dangerous, but fatally flawed contenders. neither are on the level of (prime) jones or cormier. it’s very fortunate for jiri that he came along when he did, though i do think he has a decent shot at beating the current, diminished version of jon jones.

Jiri all the way plus jiri has durability and can go the distance and dealt with 3 fights in 1 night. More experience in Japan rules and Western rules as well. Started in cage in early career and transition to Japan rules in ring and able to fight in both. Rumble only fought under cage western rules Majority of his career.

It makes a difference in adapting to different rules skills and gamemanship.
Jiri has way diverse in dealing with different MMA skills.

 

[SubsmotherLMJVG]

Yeah, King Mo KO'd Jiri. If Jiri had the chin of a young Roy Nelson or Mark Hunt, I might think differently. He has a good chin and a ton of heart, but never faced anyone with Rumble's combination of power, speed and accuracy. Mo hit pretty hard but he was a wild striker himself, not a sniper like prime Rumble.

You forget that fight was a 3 fight tournament.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I get what you mean, generally speaking, if we were comparing them with guys who did establish themselves at the top of the UFC (and even then its debatable in many cases), but to give full credit to any untested up and comer just because he excelled in certain favourable match ups is stupid. I dont care what promotion they fight in.

Who has Hill ever fought that prsented a legit grappling threat to even assume that he has the skill level to handle wrestlers like Davis or Bader.

Like when? In what fight did we even got a glimpse of it? Im asking for something other than pure, blind bias towards a brand

Get over the Hill thing. I think he beats them, you think he doesn’t. What about Ankalaev, who is sitting outside the top five?

Also, this is still way off track from the claim you made that Rumble is better than Jiri because his division was deeper.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Dan Hardy would die vs rumble at LHW and u know it.

Also, when has rumble looked for a way out in the stand up department? He has starched everyone who didnt have a elite grapple heavy gameplan..

Jiri would stand and bang his way to sleep.

Rumble has kod better strikers and only lost to the LHW goat wrestler. Jiri has been knocked out already by a much worse striker than rumble.

Rumble is great. I don’t think it’s fair to say he “only” lost to Cormier though (not counting his losses earlier in his career) while counting old Jiri losses, including in a one night tournament.

Both of them have grown a lot yet still have significant holes. Both are probably doomed if the other gets on top early in the fight. As someone mentioned above that was Rumble’s biggest Achilles heel and we saw the bombs Glover was able to unload when Jiri was on his back. Jiri also leaves major openings on the feet.

I take no issue if people favor Rumble but I think it could go a bunch of different ways.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Against prime DC who smothered him for like 4 minutes.
He was still fresh in the 3rd against Phil Davis who could not take him down and came in guns blazing against Manuwa in the 2nd.
To me he is a nightmare matchup against Jiri. A striker with average striking defense against the scariest one punch KO artist in the history of the division who happens to also be faster, more accurate and the better wrestler (in needed).

It’s definitely a tough matchup for Jiri, one of his worst.

 

[pankrat]

Get over the Hill thing. I think he beats them, you think he doesn’t. What about Ankalaev, who is sitting outside the top five?

Also, this is still way off track from the claim you made that Rumble is better than Jiri because his division was deeper.

I didnt make such claim but yeah, when you remove all the best wrestlers in a given division because you dont want to pay them as much or they are not exciting enough, you might get a more fan-friendly division but not a deeper one. Much less when some of the best talent leaves for different reasons (Jones, Cormier, Johnson..)

This is like common sense for anybody who isnt a conssumate UFC shill. More so when you have guys in his 40s from the previous gen sitting at the top of the division, to make it even more obscenely evident lol.

 

[PharoahHeight]

Rumble is great. I don’t think it’s fair to say he “only” lost to Cormier though (not counting his losses earlier in his career) while counting old Jiri losses, including in a one night tournament.

Both of them have grown a lot yet still have significant holes. Both are probably doomed if the other gets on top early in the fight. As someone mentioned above that was Rumble’s biggest Achilles heel and we saw the bombs Glover was able to unload when Jiri was on his back. Jiri also leaves major openings on the feet.

I take no issue if people favor Rumble but I think it could go a bunch of different ways.

I agree for the most part but I only counted comier because we are specifically talking about a LHW bout. Rumble has only been stopped by one of the greatest in this weight class. Jiri has had great fights at LHW but nowhere near as impressive as rumbles lhw career(minus Comier). Comparing the two at LHW, I am just not as impressed with jiri. Great fighter but if you're not a better wrestler than Ryan Bader, Rumble takes your head clean off

 

[Dorkman]

Probably Rumble just because he dosen't expose his chin as badly as Jiri does. Jiri gets away with it with most, but I don't think he could just absorb Rumbles power and recover if he takes it clean on the chin like Glover was able to land a few times. Like that right hand glover hit before he went for the Ill advised guillotine. Rumble lands a shot like that it's probably just over. But, that being said. Jiri could just land first and get a flurry to finish. Jiri dosen't hit as hard, but he still cracks real good, and could easily catch rumble off guard with his movement. Just stylistically though seems like the match is more in favor of Rumble.

But ultimately it dosen't matter, cause not only is Rumble aged now, he's lost significant weight of late with that illness he went through so he wouldn't even be physically up to par to even entertain a LHW fight anymore most likely.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I agree for the most part but I only counted comier because we are specifically talking about a LHW bout. Rumble has only been stopped by one of the greatest in this weight class. Jiri has had great fights at LHW but nowhere near as impressive as rumbles lhw career(minus Comier). Comparing the two at LHW, I am just not as impressed with jiri. Great fighter but if you're not a better wrestler than Ryan Bader, Rumble takes your head clean off

I understand, it just ends up being convenient that Rumble did all his growing pains in other divisions. Anyone defending the Johnson side of the argument is naturally going to put the goalposts there. It’s like a Jiri backer saying, “well he’s undefeated in the UFC and we’re talking about the UFC after all.”

Regardless, I don’t think we’re too far apart here. The danger for Jiri in this matchup is readily apparent. And beyond that, Rumble had a bigger sample size against ranked UFC light heavyweights. Would it shock me if Jiri lost his next 3 fights? No. Jan could crack his chin, Ankalaev could out-strike and out-wrestle him, Glover could play it safer in a rematch, etc. I wouldn’t necessarily favor those things to happen but they easily could. And if he takes even a couple losses during his next five this conversation probably looks a lot different.

 

[PharoahHeight]

I understand, it just ends up being convenient that Rumble did all his growing pains in other divisions. Anyone defending the Johnson side of the argument is naturally going to put the goalposts there. It’s like a Jiri backer saying, “well he’s undefeated in the UFC and we’re talking about the UFC after all.”

Regardless, I don’t think we’re too far apart here. The danger for Jiri in this matchup is readily apparent. And beyond that, Rumble had a bigger sample size against ranked UFC light heavyweights. Would it shock me if Jiri lost his next 3 fights? No. Jan could crack his chin, Ankalaev could out-strike and out-wrestle him, Glover could play it safer in a rematch, etc. I wouldn’t necessarily favor those things to happen but they easily could. And if he takes even a couple losses during his next five this conversation probably looks a lot different.

Rumble knocked out glover, little nog, Ryan Bader and Gustafson all in the 1st rd. And put a hell of a beating on Phil Davis.

I'm just surprised a lot of posters are saying Jiri would make Rumble quit.

And I'm not hating on Jiri at all. I'm a big fan of unique fighters, win or lose.

Also, not sayin Jiri run is terrible, but his best UFC wins are all on losing skids. Whereas a few of Rumbles victims still proved to be top fighters after they were knocked out.

But yea, I agree with you. Just tryin to figure out this makin Rumble quit nonsense.

 

[mister piscadinha]

You keep using the framing that Jones “needed” to poke people in the eyes or he couldn’t win. Even if we conceded that the pokes were intentional (and obviously not all pokes are intentional) that doesn’t mean that they were a necessary tool for winning. That’s like saying Usman didn’t think he could beat Jorge without using footstomps.

In general I feel you’re going way off topic here. This all came up because you were making the case for Glover being a huge feather in the cap for Jiri

i dont think jones need eye pokes to win those fights but he definitely benefited from it.

actually, my inicial point is that "just because glover got knocked out by rumble and went to war with jiri, does not mean that rumble would flash ko jiri like that"

which is dumb mmath

 

[mister piscadinha]

Dan Hardy would die vs rumble at LHW and u know it.

Also, when has rumble looked for a way out in the stand up department? He has starched everyone who didnt have a elite grapple heavy gameplan..

Jiri would stand and bang his way to sleep.

Rumble has kod better strikers and only lost to the LHW goat wrestler. Jiri has been knocked out already by a much worse striker than rumble.

dan hardy could not even make LHW so i dont know what ur trying to say..

anyway, ur trippin if u dont believe jiri could make rumble quit

 

[asdf122345]

Rumble. Did you see what prime king mo did to jiri?

 

[Hung Like a Hamster]

where the fook is rumble? he would easily
ko jiri

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Davis put almost ZERO pressure on him, it was a walk in the park.

He put a decent amount of pressure on him and more recently we saw Rumble go longer than that and win as well.

Cardio could definately be in Jiri's favour but the idea Rumble only has one round of cardio is I think very questionable, I think really it would be more like the championship rounds were cardio started to tell.

 

[AB234]

Rumble catches him clean.

 

[ufc_vs_pride]

Glover fans are still upset about him losing

 

[pankrat]

He put a decent amount of pressure on him and more recently we saw Rumble go longer than that and win as well.

Cardio could definately be in Jiri's favour but the idea Rumble only has one round of cardio is I think very questionable, I think really it would be more like the championship rounds were cardio started to tell.

Longer than that recently what you mean? His las fight ended in the 2nd round.

I think Rumble definitely has endurance issues but he is usually able to set his own pace by making his opponents taste his power early and keep them in the backpedall like vs Branch or Davis.

I dont think he would get Jiri backpedalling a lot. Jiri would put the pressure on and either get KOed in the process (the most likely outcome imo) or make Johnson crumble, unable to keep up with a high pace.

 

[PharoahHeight]

dan hardy could not even make LHW so i dont know what ur trying to say..

anyway, ur trippin if u dont believe jiri could make rumble quit

Exactly, Dan Hardy will never fight Rumble at LHW so what's the point of bringing him up when talkin about a LHW bout. And do me a favor and list the fighters that made Rumble quit at LHW. Here's a list of fighters he destroyed without taking any damage:
Glover(1st rd ko)
Ryan Bader (1st rd ko)
Gustafson (1st rd ko)
Lil Nog (1st rd ko)
Phil Davis (U DEC)

Can't pull that off and quit against somebody that barely beat a 40+glover.