prime Lebron > prime Kobe

[Revolver]

lol, people bringing up how he quit in Cleveland against the Celtics even tough he got a triple double.

 

[Madmick]

Kobe 1st 6 years weren't even that impressive so I could care less. Talking years 98-01 other than 01 playoff numbers. I bet you Durant will never average 35 for total season. Still wont end up being better scorer. I can barley take you serious calling Kobe Colby. Seriously, what can of troll are you?

As I already pointed out, Kobe didn't average 35ppg in 99-01. He averaged that on a mediocre team that was dismissed in the first round of the playoffs. None of this stat lines remotely approach equaling LeBron's, statistically, in the years he won those rings.

If durant chucked 27 shots a game I'm sure he would average 35 points really easily.

Agreed. In fact, I think he's capable of averaging nearly 40ppg. He's that good at scoring.

 

[Palpatine]

Kobe 1st 6 years weren't even that impressive so I could care less. Talking years 98-01 other than 01 playoff numbers.

So now that it's out there for all to see that going by the same time in their careers, Durant is a way better scorer, it doesn't matter to you anymore, right? You're funny.

Also,

Could care less = Care
Couldn't care less = Don't care

I bet you Durant will never average 35 for total season. Still wont end up being better scorer.

Colby averaged 35 PPG taking 27 shots per game, and shooting 45% from the field. You honestly think that Durant, a guy who already shoots a mere 18 shots per game this season, and averages 29.2 PPG on 52% shooting, couldn't average 35 points on an extra 9 shots per game?

You realize Westbrook takes more shots than Durant?

If Durant was on a team with the same cans that Colby played with in 06, he would break every scoring record in the history of basketball.

I can barley take you serious calling Kobe Colby. Seriously, what can of troll are you?

The best of the best kind.

 

[faustian]

Ok time to lower the boom on Kobe fanboys. I hadn't brought this up yet out of a feeling of pity, but I've decided the humane thing to do is go ahead and end it now. Top 5 seasons (PER) for each player:


LEBRON

08-09: 31.7*
12-13: 31.4*
09-10: 31.1*
11-12: 30.7*
07-08: 29.1*

KOBE

05-06: 28.0
02-03: 26.2
06-07: 26.1
00-01: 24.5
08-09: 24.4

* = led NBA


Kobe -- even at his peak prime -- has never so much as led the NBA. LeBron does nothing but lead the NBA. And as you can see, Kobe's best isn't even all that close to LeBron's worst. I mean, the gif really does say it all:

Spoiler

 

[jehosafats]

As of the 12-13 All-Star Break, Lebron's PER stands at 31.9, Kobe, 22.5.

 

[Revolver]

/thread. Close this up, Madmick. That's a wrap

 

[ChillyPalmer]

PER is a flawed stat.

Loozer has a better all-time PER then Bill Russell, Scottie, and J-Kidd.

Then again, I don't need PER to tell me Lelbron > Kome.

 

[faustian]

PER is a flawed stat.

Loozer has a better all-time PER then Bill Russell, Scottie, and J-Kidd.

Then again, I don't need PER to tell me Lelbron > Kome.

There may be exceptions, like there are to any stat, but in this case PER is just confirming what we can already see with our own eyes. Boozer's career PER is artificially inflated because he only plays 32.2 min/gm. But when comparing guys who play equal minutes, PER is as good a metric as you'll find.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Scottie and Russell get screwed by PER because it takes practically no account of defense and neither of them shot a lot.

As an offensive marker it's pretty good. But it also doesn't care what minutes you play, so Boozer can pad his stats in garbage time and it all comes out the same. But also, as much as he's a stat padder who makes little impact on games, he's a pretty efficient one.

 

[Chillez]

So now that it's out there for all to see that going by the same time in their careers, Durant is a way better scorer, it doesn't matter to you anymore, right? You're funny.

Also,

Could care less = Care
Couldn't care less = Don't care



Colby averaged 35 PPG taking 27 shots per game, and shooting 45% from the field. You honestly think that Durant, a guy who already shoots a mere 18 shots per game this season, and averages 29.2 PPG on 52% shooting, couldn't average 35 points on an extra 9 shots per game?

You realize Westbrook takes more shots than Durant?

If Durant was on a team with the same cans that Colby played with in 06, he would break every scoring record in the history of basketball.



The best of the best kind.

Lol Durant breaking every scoring record in basketball history if he was on Lakers in 06. You need to do some research on Wilt. Wow these Kobe haters are hilarious..

 

[Chillez]

As I already pointed out, Kobe didn't average 35ppg in 99-01. He averaged that on a mediocre team that was dismissed in the first round of the playoffs. None of this stat lines remotely approach equaling LeBron's, statistically, in the years he won those rings.

Agreed. In fact, I think he's capable of averaging nearly 40ppg. He's that good at scoring.

I never said he did. Not once. He averaged that with scrub teammates like Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Brain Cook were are they today? Most are out of the NBA...

 

[Chillez]

If durant chucked 27 shots a game I'm sure he would average 35 points really easily.

Kinda like he did last night in All-star game. Just keep chucking it up. I think Durant passed 3 whole times the entire game. He sure wanted the All-Star MVP...

 

[Chillez]

Didn't Iverson do that? You're telling me the 7ft Durant couldn't?

Not with Westbrook. Without him? Maybe...

 

[Madmick]

PER is a flawed stat.

Loozer has a better all-time PER then Bill Russell, Scottie, and J-Kidd.

Then again, I don't need PER to tell me Lelbron > Kome.

That's because the simplest efficiency ratings like PER favor scoring above all else. Scoring rebounders tend to yield the most inflated PER above their actual skill/impact on the game; so workhorse double-double players like Boozer tend to be the most overvalued by PER. However, IMO, I've always loved PER for highlighting this group because there is no group of players that is as chronically underappreciated and undervalued by casual fans who have never played organized competitive basketball. Bad rebounding, poor shooting, and turnovers lose games. Period. The Carlos Boozer's and Elton Brand's of the world never get their due. Thank God David Lee finally got some All-Star props this year. The greatest player who isn't afforded his due respect in the grand scheme of the basketball canon who is redeemed by the PER is Kevin Garnett.

A few more objections to your point:
(1) Comparing career PER's of inactive players (Pippen, Russell) to an active guy whose numbers aren't diminished by the inferior production of his later years is flawed.
(2) Jason Kidd shoots poorly and outside of his peak years never contributed much more than 10ppg. The PER reflects this. It's a sobering reminder that excellence in one thing doesn't equal excellence in all things.
(3) Russell was a defensive specialist, and this group is easily the most undervalued by PER. Furthermore, they didn't count blocks or steals during his career, so he's an incontrovertibly inadmissible example to contrast to Boozer. Some of the older analysts who watched games courtside during Russell's prime estimate that he might have averaged as many as 10-15 blocks per game. Counting numbers like that he unquestionably would have surpassed Boozer, and that's with the crippling disadvantage of defensive specialism (for which traditional stats don't reflect true performance).


Kobe is a scorer, and an above average rebounder (especially for a guard who also tend to get more assists, steals, and shoot a higher FT% that bolster their PER). Unlike the defensive specialists of the world, he has no real gripe with the PER that has LeBron shitting all over him.

 

[justblaze717]

Not with Westbrook. Without him? Maybe...

We get it you dont like Durant bruh lol.

Everybody who knows basketball can tell you that Durant is a better scorer than Kobe and is a much tougher matchup for opposing defenders.

Kobe has/had a wider array of moves and shots, but you cant teach 6'11 with a 7'6 wingspan with a smooth jumpshot like he has. Durant may not be the total package but he is a better scorer than Kobe.

If you gave Durant 30 shots a game he would average 45 points a game. He's also 90% from the FT line.

 

[Breakitdown]

If Durant was on a team with the same cans that Colby played with in 06, he would break every scoring record in the history of basketball.

there's actually a much higher chance that he would break 0 scoring records.

 

[Breakitdown]

we get it you dont like durant bruh lol.

Everybody who knows basketball can tell you that durant is a better scorer than kobe and is a much tougher matchup for opposing defenders.

Kobe has/had a wider array of moves and shots, but you cant teach 6'11 with a 7'6 wingspan with a smooth jumpshot like he has. Durant may not be the total package but he is a better scorer than kobe.

If you gave durant 30 shots a game he would average 45 points a game. He's also 90% from the ft line.

81.

 

[justblaze717]

81.

Again Im not a Kobe hater, hes my fav player. Just being realistic here.

The 81 point game was crazy! Now could Durant score 81 points with Jalen Rose and Mo Pete guarding him if he had 46 shots and 20 FT's? Most likely.

 

[Breakitdown]

Again Im not a Kobe hater, hes my fav player. Just being realistic here.

The 81 point game was crazy! Now could Durant score 81 points with Jalen Rose and Mo Pete guarding him if he had 46 shots and 20 FT's? Most likely.

i doubt it. the GOAT was just in an otherworldly zone that night. Durant is a great scorer but he doesn't have the same skill level as the GOAT. Just too many ifs. IF the GOAT was Durant's size he would avg 60 ppg.

 

[Madmick]

i doubt it. the GOAT was just in an otherworldly zone that night. Durant is a great scorer but he doesn't have the same skill level as the GOAT. Just too many ifs. IF the GOAT was Durant's size he would avg 60 ppg.

And if Pistol Pete was black and didn't kill himself in a car accident he would have averaged 80ppg.

Stupid Laker fan hypotheticals are stupid, especially when they troll with the implication that anyone other than Jordan is the GOAT.