Prime Fedor in the 2010-2012 heavyweight division

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Look at who we had in that time frame

Cain
JDS
Lesnar
Carwin
Werdum who beat Fedor
Bigfoot who beat Fedor
Ubereem
Younger Daniel cormier

Fedor would lose to most of them.

He had a size disadvantage. Look at the Bigfoot fight for an example and his TDD wasn't elite so he would pushed against the cage by a bigger Cain or Brock Lesnar.

Fedor fought in a ring for the vast majority of his career, how does be adjust to fighting in an octagon and defend wall and stalls? Again, looking at the Bigfoot fight.
 
Look at who we had in that time frame

Cain
JDS
Lesnar
Carwin
Werdum who beat Fedor
Bigfoot who beat Fedor
Ubereem
Younger Daniel cormier

Fedor would lose to most of them.

He had a size disadvantage. Look at the Bigfoot fight for an example and his TDD wasn't elite so he would pushed against the cage by a bigger Cain or Brock Lesnar.

Fedor fought in a ring for the vast majority of his career, how does be adjust to fighting in an octagon and defend wall and stalls? Again, looking at the Bigfoot fight.

With his superior Judo takdedowns on the cage. No heavyweight that you mentioned had those skills or had to face that.
I think Fedor does better in a cage personally over time. He didn't need as much space for his takedowns. Those losses you mentioned are shared by those people also.
He might have dropped some fights, but so has and would everyone else if they all fought.
 
With his superior Judo takdedowns on the cage. No heavyweight that you mentioned had those skills or had to face that.
I think Fedor does better in a cage personally over time. He didn't need as much space for his takedowns. Those losses you mentioned are shared by those people also.
He might have dropped some fights, but so has and would everyone else if they all fought.
I could see Fedor getting pushed against the cage in 2010-2012, we saw it happen. I actually think Fedor fights better in a cage right now than he ever has. When Fedor came over to Strikeforce, he didn’t even have a cage in his gym that I know of. He and his team do now of course, and he’s improved a lot in that space.
 
Yeah, any of them would have beaten the living shit out of him.
 
he absolutely loses to them under unified rules. pride rules in a ring, that’s a different story.
 
I could see Fedor getting pushed against the cage in 2010-2012, we saw it happen. I actually think Fedor fights better in a cage right now than he ever has. When Fedor came over to Strikeforce, he didn’t even have a cage in his gym that I know of. He and his team do now of course, and he’s improved a lot in that space.


A lot of people really underestimated the difference between the ring and the cage back in the day.

Mirko never fulled adapted and could never properly set up head kicks without the angles in the ring.
 
A lot of people really underestimated the difference between the ring and the cage back in the day.

Mirko never fulled adapted and could never properly set up head kicks without the angles in the ring.
Exactly. Mirko is a great example of someone whose style relied on the ring, and it really didn’t translate into the cage. It’s true that he was getting a bit old while in the UFC, but I think the cage was the bigger factor for him.
 
I could see Fedor getting pushed against the cage in 2010-2012, we saw it happen. I actually think Fedor fights better in a cage right now than he ever has. When Fedor came over to Strikeforce, he didn’t even have a cage in his gym that I know of. He and his team do now of course, and he’s improved a lot in that space.
Definitely possible, but people always say he lost to Werdum and Bigfoot. All those guys tradded wins and losses around that time. It was a bloody good period in MMA.
 
Definitely possible, but people always say he lost to Werdum and Bigfoot. All those guys tradded wins and losses around that time. It was a bloody good period in MMA.
Awesome period in MMA, for sure. :)
Personally I think Bigfoot and Werdum were very winnable fights. He was just getting so sloppy.
 
Exactly. Mirko is a great example of someone whose style relied on the ring, and it really didn’t translate into the cage. It’s true that he was getting a bit old while in the UFC, but I think the cage was the bigger factor for him.
Also, just like Fedor, when he adapted and came back to the UFC, he was better in the cage, at least better than when he fought Schaub.
 
By 2010 Fedor was a decade into his career with over 30 fights and multiple surgeries on his hands. He became champion in 2003 and had the biggest title defense of his career in 2004 and 2005. Naturally his coaches were openly saying that he was slowing down in 2008 and it was true.

This was around the same time Fedor finally lost in Combat Sambo which was unprecedented because when Fedor was at his peak guys were forfeiting after making it to the final round to avoid fighting him for free. So when he lost in Sambo it was obvious that he had peaked and that mixed results were not far away.

It's no coincidence he struggled with Rogers and AA around this time and won those fights with old tricks which looked like he was pulling a rabbit out of his hat. Dont get me wrong Fedor was still good and very dangerous and had lots of experience but his skills had regressed.

At his peak he could box, kick box, brawl, wrestle, grapple, scramble and submit at very high intensity and flow seamlessly from one to the other with high endurance. As he accumulated injuries and got multiple surgeries he couldn't wrestle, grapple and scramble with the same intensity so he relied less on that and more on head hunting. This was the Fedor of 2010 who signed with Strikeforce. Anyone objective could see this wasn't the guy from 2003-2005. Not physically or mentally. It's not shocking he started losing fights around this time.

On top of the mileage and injuries
Fedor was also going through a lot of personal problems off the field. He went through a divorce and his wife at the time nearly died and almost had a miscarriage while Fedor was on the flight to fight Hendo.Fighting Hendo so soon after the CTE he took from Bigfoot was a big mistake. Fedor never made excuses for these losses but these losses were explained by his coaches in a recent documentary.

Kattar took a year off after the beating he took from Holloway. Fedor got hammer fisted in the skull by a juiced up, 290lb Bigfoot for 5 minutes and then tried to fight the deadliest version of Hendo ever 5 months later and of course his chin didn't hold up and he got stopped for real for the first time in his career.

So how would this version of Fedor do against prime Cain, prime JDS, prime Lesnar, Carwin, Ubereem and young DC? Any objective Fedor fan has to admit that he wasn't fit to beat all of them. Chances are he would have had mixed results. Some epic wins and probably some epic losses.

How would McGregor of 2022 perform if he had to fight nothing but elite LWs of today one after the other? He'd win some and he'd lose some. That doesn't mean he sucks but he's clearly not the same guy he was from 2014-2016 just like Fedor of Strikeforce in 2011 wasn't the same Fedor from 2003-2006.

Anyone trying to define Fedors peak by his performance from 2011 onward is a shameless shill.
 
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Look at who we had in that time frame

Cain
JDS
Lesnar
Carwin
Werdum who beat Fedor
Bigfoot who beat Fedor
Ubereem
Younger Daniel cormiercormie

All but Cain and DC tested positive for steroids, had an exemption for juice, or are suspected of roiding.
 
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By 2010 Fedor was a decade into his career with over 30 fights and multiple surgeries on his hands. He became champion in 2003 and had the biggest title defense of his career in 2004 and 2005. Naturally his coaches were openly saying that he was slowing down in 2008 and it was true.

This was around the same time Fedor finally lost in Combat Sambo which was unprecedented because when Fedor was at his peak guys were forfeiting after making it to the final round to avoid fighting him for free. So when he lost in Sambo it was obvious that he had peaked and that mixed results were not far away.

It's no coincidence he struggled with Rogers and AA around this time and won those fights with old tricks which looked like he was pulling a rabbit out of his hat. Dont get me wrong Fedor was still good and very dangerous and had lots of experience but his skills had regressed.

At his peak he could box, kick box, brawl, wrestle, grapple, scramble and submit at very high intensity and flow seamlessly from one to the other with high endurance. As he accumulated injuries and got multiple surgeries he couldn't wrestle, grapple and scramble with the same intensity so he relied less on that and more on head hunting. This was the Fedor of 2010 who signed with Strikeforce. Anyone objective could see this wasn't the guy from 2003-2005. Not physically or mentally. It's not shocking he started losing fights around this time.

On top of the mileage and injuries
Fedor was also going through a lot of personal problems off the field. He went through a divorce and his wife at the time nearly died and almost had a miscarriage while Fedor was on the flight to fight Hendo.Fighting Hendo so soon after the CTE he took from Bigfoot was a big mistake. Fedor never made excuses for these losses but these losses were explained by his coaches in a recent documentary.

Kattar took a year off after the beating he took from Holloway. Fedor got hammer fisted in the skull by a juiced up, 290lb Bigfoot for 5 minutes and then tried to fight the deadliest version of Hendo ever 5 months later and of course his chin didn't hold up and he got stopped for real for the first time in his career.

So how would this version of Fedor do against prime Cain, prime JDS, prime Lesnar, Carwin, Ubereem and young DC? Any objective Fedor fan has to admit that he wasn't fit to beat all of them. Chances are he would have mixed results. Some epic wins and probably some epic losses.

How would McGregor had to do if he had to fight nothing but elite LWs of today one after the other? He'd win some and he'd lose some.

you said--

Naturally his coaches were openly saying that he was slowing down in 2008 and it was true.

This was around the same time Fedor finally lost in Combat Sambo which was unprecedented because when Fedor was at his peak guys were forfeiting after making it to the final round to avoid fighting him for free. So when he lost in Sambo it was obvious that he had peaked and that mixed results were not far away.

this is basically all you need to know to explain the losses that started happening with fedor. he had slowed down and his coaches said it BEFORE he ever lost.
 
He beats lesnar but gets curb stomped by pretty much everyone on that list.
 
Awesome period in MMA, for sure. :)
Personally I think Bigfoot and Werdum were very winnable fights. He was just getting so sloppy.
Fedor has always been sloppy. But he had a big skillset and speed advantage at the time.
 
Look at who we had in that time frame

Cain
JDS
Lesnar
Carwin
Werdum who beat Fedor
Bigfoot who beat Fedor
Ubereem
Younger Daniel cormier

Fedor would lose to most of them.

He had a size disadvantage. Look at the Bigfoot fight for an example and his TDD wasn't elite so he would pushed against the cage by a bigger Cain or Brock Lesnar.

Fedor fought in a ring for the vast majority of his career, how does be adjust to fighting in an octagon and defend wall and stalls? Again, looking at the Bigfoot fight.

He lost to half of these guys.

This is a strangely rhetorical post
 
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