Prime Fedor beats everyone

GangGangGang said:
I'll take what is Sambo for 500 please. If anything, others were at a severe disadvantage facing someone with a Sambo background like Fedor in the early 2000s.
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He was definitely the best at it for a while and it helped him, but combat sambo itself wasn’t as highly regarded as other arts. A lot of the guys that couldn’t make it in judo usually found more success there. Less competition.

I think some of Fedor’s style evolved from competing with his brother. He couldn’t meet heavyweights at their own game so he had to focus on his speed, transitions and used striking only to set up the clinch. Only later on did he start sitting in the pocket and became very predictable.
 
Prime Fedor beats Fedor from 10-11 years ago. He was one of the greatest fighters ever. All fighters admire him. A true one of a kind fighter that left his opponents helpless when he was fighting at his best. Respect.
 
Were you that desperate for attention TS?
 
I like Fedor, but realistically there were no Ngannou, Miocic, Velasquez, Dos Santos, Jones type of fighters in his day... Potentially he could beat them, but all of them one after another? He wouldn't be human in that case, and if there's something we've learned since 2010, its that Fedor is human.
 
defjaam said:
I like Fedor, but realistically there were no Ngannou, Miocic, Velasquez, Dos Santos, Jones type of fighters in his day... Potentially he could beat them, but all of them one after another? He wouldn't be human in that case, and if there's something we've learned since 2010, its that Fedor is human.
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People will say " Fedor wasn´t at his prime" lol he was dynamic in the werdum fight, he just got into multiple submissions and tapped, that showed his real value against top contenders.
Crazy thing was, Crocop in Pride. Fedor in Pride - wins wins wins, once they got into Strikeforce/UFC loose loose loose... That says everything.
Strikeforce/UFC was highest level not Pride.
And if you count the very beggining of the sport when the scene was forming then it hasn´t any sense. of course if sport is new there will not be any talent or good contenders.
 
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KillaZs said:
People will say " Fedor wasn´t at his prime" lol he was dynamic in the werdum fight, he just got into multiple submissions and tapped, that showed his real value against top contenders.
Crazy thing was, Crocop in Pride. Fedor in Pride - wins wins wins, once they got into Strikeforce/UFC loose loose loose... That says everything.
Strikeforce/UFC was highest level not Pride.
And if you count the very beggining of the sport when the scene was forming then it hasn´t any sense. of course if sport is new there will not be any talent or good contenders.
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I like Fedor and Crocop, they basically got me into MMA. But what you say might be true... As terrific as they were, they were beatable.
 
KillaZs said:
People will say " Fedor wasn´t at his prime" lol he was dynamic in the werdum fight, he just got into multiple submissions and tapped, that showed his real value against top contenders.
Crazy thing was, Crocop in Pride. Fedor in Pride - wins wins wins, once they got into Strikeforce/UFC loose loose loose... That says everything.
Strikeforce/UFC was highest level not Pride.
And if you count the very beggining of the sport when the scene was forming then it hasn´t any sense. of course if sport is new there will not be any talent or good contenders.
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He was 10 years into his career and cro cop had a shit ton of fights when he started looking like shit. That was not their prime. As for the idea that all the guys on his resume sucked, he had nog, cro cop, hunt, randleman etc. Fedor is definitely a goat.
 
Fioretti said:
I'm not comparing their opponents and saying that they're equal. I'm using Fulton's three crazy ass win streaks as an example of how and why streaks like that are possible. Fulton has some guys in those streaks with fairly decent records, but the majority are shit. Saying Goodridge was "game" is a stretch. He was 17-13-1 going into the Fedor fight, and coming off a win over Lloyd Van Dams, who was 0-0 in MMA - making his debut. Arona was 2-0 when he fought Fedor. Somebody else listed all the atrocious records of the guys he fought during this "legendary" streak. It's sad. He should've been fighting top 5 guys for 8 out of those 10 years, and he barely fought top 10. It's ok. He's still a great fighter, no doubt, just take it for what it is. Don't be dishonest or exaggerate it. Cro Cop is my favorite fighter, and the dude has a resume full of garbage too. It is what it is, man.

Here's that list I mentioned:

martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)

This looks like their overall career records, but you still get the point, I'm sure. He fought fucking Valavicious, Fujita, Goodridge, and Nagata all in a row after winning the PRIDE HW title. Shit's weak, my dude. Of course his record/streak is going to look good when it's padded as fuck. That's literally how padding your record works.
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Since we don't see eye to eye, I'm changing the topic...

When I looked up Travis Fulton's record, I saw that he was just recently indicted for child porn in February, crazy how that slipped un
Fioretti said:
I'm not comparing their opponents and saying that they're equal. I'm using Fulton's three crazy ass win streaks as an example of how and why streaks like that are possible. Fulton has some guys in those streaks with fairly decent records, but the majority are shit. Saying Goodridge was "game" is a stretch. He was 17-13-1 going into the Fedor fight, and coming off a win over Lloyd Van Dams, who was 0-0 in MMA - making his debut. Arona was 2-0 when he fought Fedor. Somebody else listed all the atrocious records of the guys he fought during this "legendary" streak. It's sad. He should've been fighting top 5 guys for 8 out of those 10 years, and he barely fought top 10. It's ok. He's still a great fighter, no doubt, just take it for what it is. Don't be dishonest or exaggerate it. Cro Cop is my favorite fighter, and the dude has a resume full of garbage too. It is what it is, man.

Here's that list I mentioned:

martin lazarov (0-2)
levon lagilava (1-3)
hiroya takada (1-3)
mihail apostolov (0-1)
ryushi yanagisawa (24-25)
lee hasdell (9-14)
chris haseman (20-17)
gary goodridge (23-22)
yuji nagata (0-2)
naoya ogawa (7-2)
zulu (9-9)
hong man choi (4-5)
jaideep singh (2-3)

This looks like their overall career records, but you still get the point, I'm sure. He fought fucking Valavicious, Fujita, Goodridge, and Nagata all in a row after winning the PRIDE HW title. Shit's weak, my dude. Of course his record/streak is going to look good when it's padded as fuck. That's literally how padding your record works.
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You know what's weak my dude? This is off topic, as it looks like we can agree to disagree....

When I googled Travis Fulton just so I could glance at his record for the sake of our argument, a news article popped up from February of this year that he has been indicted on child pornography charges, not sure how I missed that on here. I knew he was a bit of a scumbag but that's some crazy shit.
 
thewilks said:
Since we don't see eye to eye, I'm changing the topic...

When I looked up Travis Fulton's record, I saw that he was just recently indicted for child porn in February, crazy how that slipped un


You know what's weak my dude? This is off topic, as it looks like we can agree to disagree....

When I googled Travis Fulton just so I could glance at his record for the sake of our argument, a news article popped up from February of this year that he has been indicted on child pornography charges, not sure how I missed that on here. I knew he was a bit of a scumbag but that's some crazy shit.
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Yeah, that's pretty weak shit. So is Fedor's padding though. Both were unnecessary and avoidable. = )
 
Fioretti said:
Yeah, that's pretty weak shit. So is Fedor's padding though. Both were unnecessary and avoidable. = )
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ExitLUPin said:
02-05. He had a tougher time finishing an older Coleman in the rematch when he ran through him in his prime. He still easily won but he was starting to slow.
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2002 was the year he joined Pride. Basically what you're saying was that the 2 years experience he had in RINGS was when he reached his maximum skill and potential. Are you sure you don't want a more pinpoint timeframe here? Because that's almost too easy coming up with a list of heavyweights that would crush 2002 Fedor.
 
Ancient Warrior said:
He was definitely the best at it for a while and it helped him, but combat sambo itself wasn’t as highly regarded as other arts. A lot of the guys that couldn’t make it in judo usually found more success there. Less competition.

I think some of Fedor’s style evolved from competing with his brother. He couldn’t meet heavyweights at their own game so he had to focus on his speed, transitions and used striking only to set up the clinch. Only later on did he start sitting in the pocket and became very predictable.
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That's a solid hypothesis.

Now that I think about it, that makes a ton of sense.

I wonder if he started sitting in the pocket like that due to injuries.
 
Ancient Warrior said:
Yes, that same Fedor that went 10 years undefeated and didn’t start losing until the end of that reign lol
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Yeah who is so stupid to give grandpa Fedor young prime Fighter. Oh wait Dan is 6 years older than him and clearly out of his prime. If it was prime vs prime there might the first MMA murder
 
thewilks said:
I see and respect your point. There just isn't any space in my brain that will ever compare Fedor's streak to Travis Fulton's streaks and I shouldn't have to explain why, that seems like an exaggerated point for the sake of your argument. Fedor going 3-1 and then 3-3 after 10 years and 30 fights is more than normal after that kind of mileage and it and shouldn't tarnish his legacy, but to each his own.
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...and a Sambo career on the side, which most don't fill under the wear & tear chapter.

GOAT talk aside, I, for one, prefer a Fedor going out on the shield, to one acting like Ngannou in his match with Lewis.
 
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