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Prime Bas Rutten vs Prime Alistair Overeem

Overeem's too big too well rounded. Only advantages I see for Bas are fight IQ, cardio and chin but it wouldn't be enough.
 
HHJ said:
Igor wasnt overrated,that guy was a dangerous killer. He was weak off his back but so what? how many others were in his time? By the time he started losing he had allready had 100 fights,if we count his kickboxing career. He was never the best fighter but he was always dangerous,and a cut above alot of the fighters in the early days.
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I agree. Igor was the man. NOBODY even till this day hits quit like he did. He had sledgehammers for fists. And he was surprisingly agile for his size. Seeing him doing his tkd kicks and all that was impressive. He's a HOF'er easily imo.


NoBiasJustMMA said:
Overeem's too big too well rounded. Only advantages I see for Bas are fight IQ, cardio and chin but it wouldn't be enough.
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Idk man those are pretty big advantages for Bas. Bas has a great chin and is hard to put away, and overeem is known to gas. Bas is a very smart tactician as well and he could game plan for Reem, imo.
 
Kick Strickland said:
Idk man those are pretty big advantages for Bas. Bas has a great chin and is hard to put away, and overeem is known to gas. Bas is a very smart tactician as well and he could game plan for Reem, imo.
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Not 255 lb overeem though. That would be too much for him. The size AND skill would win out there. I would however laugh my balls off if he surprised reem with one of those palm thrusts and finished him off of that
 
HHJ said:
Not 255 lb overeem though. That would be too much for him. The size AND skill would win out there. I would however laugh my balls off if he surprised reem with one of those palm thrusts and finished him off of that
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lol at the palm thrust. I would laugh too :D

But make no mistake, Bas can punch, man. Just the fact that he ko'd people with slaps should tell you a lot. But the man can punch hard.

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Bas eats Overeem... Only way Overeem wins is with a guillotine and there's no way.
 
anyone who thinks bas stands 1/100 chance agianst reem is retarded.


bas is royce gracie level. dude lost to the shamrocks. GTFO
 
I could see Bas defeating Pride/LHW Overeem by landing a big shot after getting his ass kicked for a while. Ubereem? No way, Bas would get demolished.
 
Kick Strickland said:
I agree. Igor was the man. NOBODY even till this day hits quit like he did. He had sledgehammers for fists. And he was surprisingly agile for his size. Seeing him doing his tkd kicks and all that was impressive. He's a HOF'er easily imo.

Idk man those are pretty big advantages for Bas. Bas has a great chin and is hard to put away, and overeem is known to gas. Bas is a very smart tactician as well and he could game plan for Reem, imo.
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HOF for Igor? LOL, For what? the only good win he has was against Kerr, the rest are Enson Inoue, Gary Goodridge, Gilbert Yvel, Valentijn Overeem, Yuki Kondo and like 90 complete unknowns.

Shaddows said:
Bas would light AO up!
It's not even close!

Bas should be on GOAT discussion, but if he can beat a "never was".
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Hilarious that some people really compare Bas and Alistair as kickboxers when is nowhere near, Bas only beat a few nobodys and got destroyed by the only good competition he faced and then he switch to Pancrase.

And yes Alistair is a glass cannon, but people forget he defeat Badr Hari, Peter Aerts, Gokhan Saki and Tyrone Spong in K1, he is 100x more accomplish than Bas.

If we talk about prime Fedor or Nogueira or Cro Cop in MMA and Aerts, Hoost, Le Banner in Kickboxing, all would easily be at the top of their divisions today, but the likes of Rutten and Vovchanchyn would not.
 
I love Bas but I'm not even sure why this is a thread...

Prime Overeem on that horsemeat would always win
 
I see Prime Reem as the Reem that fought Brock. Of course Bas could always catch him with something early, but I think Reem's 50 pound advantage would play a factor and that Bas would likely be stuck on the bottom eating shots.
 
Are these the people that bet on Royce Gracie against Matt Hughes?
 
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Reem destroys him
 
Le 7th Samurai said:
HOF for Igor? LOL, For what? the only good win he has was against Kerr, the rest are Enson Inoue, Gary Goodridge, Gilbert Yvel, Valentijn Overeem, Yuki Kondo and like 90 complete unknowns.

Hilarious that some people really compare Bas and Alistair as kickboxers when is nowhere near, Bas only beat a few nobodys and got destroyed by the only good competition he faced and then he switch to Pancrase.

And yes Alistair is a glass cannon, but people forget he defeat Badr Hari, Peter Aerts, Gokhan Saki and Tyrone Spong in K1, he is 100x more accomplish than Bas.

If we talk about prime Fedor or Nogueira or Cro Cop in MMA and Aerts, Hoost, Le Banner in Kickboxing, all would easily be at the top of their divisions today, but the likes of Rutten and Vovchanchyn would not.
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Igor would potentially have a case for being an innovator even if he's not in the top 10 in terms of actual achievement, guys like Goodridge x2 , Valentijn and Ension weren't nododies, they did have legit wins over the likes of Randy and Babalu around that time, he beat Yvel amd Saku(admittedly post 60 mins of Royce) as well.

If your talking about HW today there is a case that Bas and Igor might just be in the top 10 today given how shallow the division is compared to 5-10 years ago.
 
moreorless87 said:
Igor would potentially have a case for being an innovator even if he's not in the top 10 in terms of actual achievement, guys like Goodridge x2 , Valentijn and Ension weren't nododies, they did have legit wins over the likes of Randy and Babalu around that time, he beat Yvel amd Saku(admittedly post 60 mins of Royce) as well.

If your talking about HW today there is a case that Bas and Igor might just be in the top 10 today given how shallow the division is compared to 5-10 years ago.
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Prime 240 pound Igor with healthy hands would be in contention for the title IMO.

Prime Bas could be too IMO.
 
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