Crime President Biden declares Easter Sunday a Transgender Day of Visibility

[Mike]

Lol a bunch of passive aggressive insults on the way out. Yeah I won't miss talking to you. Bye Jack.

 

[Sinister]

I'm happy to discuss that issue in depth (maybe not in this thread). IMO, support for capitalism does not inherently imply a position on the left/right spectrum, and our disagreement about corporate influence in politics isn't over whether it is good or bad but over how much there is.

I consider myself to be on the left (in the sense of supporting a less hierarchical structure--equal rights, attention paid to de facto equality, etc.). But I'm definitely a liberal. My view is that a lot of the left and right underrate how much well-functioning markets with proper, careful regulations reduce inequality, in part because of a legacy from the Cold War (which caused rightists to rhetorically embrace markets more and leftists to reject it).

All I'll say is that if the idea of a market needs regulations to assure there are no inherently unfair practices by those who monopolize resources, that says all I need to know about its inherent value. However the base contention I is philosophical. I COULD pose that any support for something that is hararchuchal in nature (one person or group of people in a position of ownership of resources) makes you a rightist by default. Online leftists would likely argue this, suggesting that no one who is ACTUALLY on the left would argue for this as more than merely a stepping stone to something better, but definitely not a good model to base a society off of. This is how Liberals and Soc-Dems often get alienated because the anarchists, socialists, and communists will rabidly gatekeep leftism with purity testing. Then we end up doing the old Saw vs Luthen routine:



I'd much rather be more productive than these kinds of circular philosophical arguments

 

[The_Renaissance]

Trans people are weird, and transitioning doesn’t work cause they’re not trapped in the wrong body

Can I say they’re weird here?

Course you can, they're the weirdest group of people on the planet. And terrible on the eye, as well.

 

[Jar of Flies]

just like the premise of this thread was started on a lie so is this reply. The only objection liberals have shown is that this is yet another manufactured outrage porn created by the right wing media. No one is debating your views on transexuals. This reply is just another example of low IQ snowflake right wingers pretending to always be the victims. What's really funny is you aren't even american, just a sad larper.

It’s hilarious how he’s lecturing people on the cultural political landscape of a country that he’s not from, to people from that country. All in a thread he started that was not even accurate in the first place.

 

[AWilder]

Lol a bunch of passive aggressive insults on the way out. Yeah I won't miss talking to you. Bye Jack.

as he makes a passive aggressive insult on his way out...

 

[Mike]

as he makes a passive aggressive insult on his way out...

Saying someone is being insulting is an insult now? You sound annoying you're going on ignore too.

 

[AWilder]

Saying someone is being insulting is an insult now? You sound annoying you're going on ignore too.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Lol a bunch of passive aggressive insults on the way out. Yeah I won't miss talking to you. Bye Jack.

I don't know what you think that means, but it's actually a better description of your own actions. Sorry I sometimes question the GOP narrative, I guess.

All I'll say is that if the idea of a market needs regulations to assure there are no inherently unfair practices by those who monopolize resources, that says all I need to know about its inherent value.

Why?

However the base contention I is philosophical. I COULD pose that any support for something that is hararchuchal in nature (one person or group of people in a position of ownership of resources) makes you a rightist by default. Online leftists would likely argue this, suggesting that no one who is ACTUALLY on the left would argue for this as more than merely a stepping stone to something better, but definitely not a good model to base a society off of. This is how Liberals and Soc-Dems often get alienated because the anarchists, socialists, and communists will rabidly gatekeep leftism with purity testing. Then we end up doing the old Saw vs Luthen routine:



I'd much rather be more productive than these kinds of circular philosophical arguments

Sure. Appreciate that. But I'd say to that first point that markets imply creative destruction, which erodes any existing hierarchy.

 

[Sinister]

I don't know what you think that means, but it's actually a better description of your own actions. Sorry I sometimes question the GOP narrative, I guess.

Why?


Sure. Appreciate that. But I'd say to that first point that markets imply creative destruction, which erodes any existing hierarchy.

Creative destruction can, and Historically has been in many instances, used to enforce hierarchies, not erode them. In a totally "free market" devoid of regulation as the Libertarians want it, the current practice of giant tech companies buying up all the AI models in an arms race for control of market share would go completely un-checked. Just as an example. And right this second even Elon Musk has an active lawsuit against this, but why? Because of his own interest in a share of the market, advertised as a move "for the betterment of society."

 

[Jack V Savage]

Creative destruction can, and Historically has been in many instances, used to enforce hierarchies, not erode them. In a totally "free market" devoid of regulation as the Libertarians want it, the current practice of giant tech companies buying up all the AI models in an arms race for control of market share would go completely un-checked. Just as an example. And right this second even Elon Musk has an active lawsuit against this, but why? Because of his own interest in a share of the market, advertised as a move "for the betterment of society."

No country has ever entertained a zero-regulation system, and that would be insane. By definition, creative destruction erodes hierarchies.

 

[spamking]

You know 100% what you're doing, you're not dumb. You take snippets of things I said and twist and restate them into things I didn't say. You also then list all sorts of dumbass republican talking points and attribute them to me even though I never said those things, and myself and other posters keep telling you I'm not a republican. Reply more if you want but I'm not going to interact with you further.

I don't have time to play these stupid games.

 

[Sinister]

No country has ever entertained a zero-regulation system, and that would be insane. By definition, creative destruction erodes hierarchies.

Yeah, well I guess if I killed a King and then installed myself and my Family as leaders I could claim I "eroded the Monarchy." Or rather, if I bought their means of production and forced everyone to pay me for it. I mean I wouldn't really be a King if I didnt say I was one. Lol

You have to know that that interpretation of creative destruction is an oversimplification. Even among Marxists the understanding was that acquired wealth is destroyed, giving way for new acquiring of wealth. It was a cycle to be aware of that described the inevitable downfall of capitalism:

"This is the ruinous effect of the fall in the prices of commodities. It does not cause the destruction of any use-values. What one loses, the other gains. Values used as capital are prevented from acting again as capital in the hands of the same person. The old capitalists go bankrupt. ... A large part of the nominal capital of the society, i.e., of the exchange-value of the existing capital, is once for all destroyed, although this very destruction, since it does not affect the use-value, may very much expedite the new reproduction. This is also the period during which moneyed interest enriches itself at the cost of industrial interest."

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yeah, well I guess if I killed a King and then installed myself and my Family as leaders I could claim I "eroded the Monarchy." Or rather, if I bought their means of production and forced everyone to pay me for it. I mean I wouldn't really be a King if I didnt say I was one. Lol

You have to know that that interpretation of creative destruction is an oversimplification. Even among Marxists the understanding was that acquired wealth is destroyed, giving way for new acquiring of wealth. It was a cycle to be aware of that described the inevitable downfall of capitalism:

"This is the ruinous effect of the fall in the prices of commodities. It does not cause the destruction of any use-values. What one loses, the other gains. Values used as capital are prevented from acting again as capital in the hands of the same person. The old capitalists go bankrupt. ... A large part of the nominal capital of the society, i.e., of the exchange-value of the existing capital, is once for all destroyed, although this very destruction, since it does not affect the use-value, may very much expedite the new reproduction. This is also the period during which moneyed interest enriches itself at the cost of industrial interest."

I think the simplification is more instructive here. In a perfect competitive market, profits trend toward zero over time. That doesn't happen in real life because of factors that pull away from that. But that's why we want regulation that keeps markets running (and why a market orientation has leftist implications).

 

[evansusmc2]

LMAO, this whole thread is wag the dog. concession accepted you gullible snowflake

No "consession" here Mrs. faceless anonymous keyboarder. Failing to do research on me THAT hard that you make the mistake of calling me a "snowflake" is a dig on your own self. Not me.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I feel like being attacked as a right winger by people here every time I question any part of the liberal agenda kinda proves my point. It's weapons free as soon as you don't want to be part of an echo chamber and parrot every single liberal taking point.

I don't know if I agree with that, I've disagreed with the so called liberal agenda on matters like school choice and gun rights and even on matters relating to LGBTQ.

At the end of the day if you're going to post in the WR being pushed on your views is part of the game.

 

[AWilder]

No "consession" here Mrs. faceless anonymous keyboarder. Failing to do research on me THAT hard that you make the mistake of calling me a "snowflake" is a dig on your own self. Not me.

Sure thing bub.

 

[evansusmc2]

I have no idea what that picture is/means. But I appreciate you taking time to reply though.

 

[Poon Goon]

Failing to do research on me THAT hard that you make the mistake of calling me a "snowflake" is a dig on your own self.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I am glad Biden accomplished something this year. Way to go Joe!!!

 

[AWilder]

I have no idea what that picture is/means. But I appreciate you taking time to reply though.

you should do your research...